in the case of randy shugart and gary gordon, it was noted they were missing but not that they were dead. there were these horrible images of them being dragged through the streets. so we have family members scrutinizing, trying to figure out if they can identify the bodies were that were being dragged through the streets because they had not yet been informed. they didn't know their loved ones were alive or dead. it is just an excruciating time for them. they were very helpful. >> is not anyone's fault but they that they didn't know? >> no, it wasn't. i think that the army army didn't know at that point which one of these were alive or dead. i think that they were two of the best trained soldiers in the american military and they could've lived off of very little. these are the ones that could have dug themselves a hole. they were holding out hope that they were alive. it was leading at odd angles, it is hard to determine who they were. >> who is this? >> this is a staff sergeant and a ranger, about 19 or 20 years old. he got trapped with most of the force in the city overnight. he is n