maybe gary hart is right. without george mcgovern, the democratic party might have ceased to exist as a viable party. >> then give this one to both of you. will there be another antiwar candidate? in the future, like a mcgovern? >> the thing the differentiated him from other anti-war candidate was in his heart, in his soul. i think he might disagree with barack obama, who said he is not against all wars. george mcgovern was not against all wars either because he fought courageously in one. but i think if he had been elected, he would have gone as elected, he would have gone as out of vietnam as soon as he

we worked it one time and it work and he had the discipline not to use it again against gary hart.e worked. one moment. a moment for that. on the trail for 20 years. >> greg: gary hart said where is the beef and then said where is the rice? >> kimberly: oh, boy. i like that. >> eric: very good. if they do this debate, i certainly offer my services, sarah palin, to moderate that. >> kimberly: sarah palin? >> eric: to moderate that one-on-one. >> bob: eric's wife is listening. >> dana: why are you wearing a tie? >> bob: they made you. i said i'm not coming on without you in a tie. >> eric: can we tease? fort lauderdale has a way to fix the homeless problem. check it out, bob. you'll be happy about it. that's next on "the five." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> bob: it's greg's favorite song. i'm happy to have that. >> greg: tearing my eyeballs out. >> bob: yes, it does. i'm going to make my introduction here shorter than greg's opening. the reason for it, a sad story. in fort lauderdale, florida, the county council decided have funds to send homeless people back to their loved ones if they want to go, one

we worked it one time and it work and he had the discipline not to use it again against gary hart. have worked. one moment. a moment for that. on the trail for 20 years. >> greg: gary hart said where is the beef and then said where is the rice? >> kimberly: oh, boy. i like that. >> eric: very good. if they do this debate, i certainly offer my services, sarah palin, to moderate that. >> kimberly: sarah palin? >> eric: to moderate that one-on-one. >> bob: eric's wife is listening. >> dana: why are you wearing a tie? >> bob: they made you. i said i'm not coming on without you in a tie. >> eric: can we tease? fort lauderdale has a way to fix the homeless problem. check it out, bob. you'll be happy about it. that's next on "the five." ♪ ♪ >> announcer: if you think identity theft is scary, just wait until you try to fix it. >> 58 different individuals are using... absolutely, using my old social security number. >> announcer: identity theft has topped the federal government's list of consumer complaints for the last eleven years. it's a serious problem with anyone with a social security

maybe gary hart is right. without george mcgovern, the democratic party might have ceased to exist as a viable party. >> then give this one to both of you. will there be another antiwar candidate? in the future, like a mcgovern? >> the thing the differentiated him from other anti work candidates was in his heart, was in his soul -- anti-war candidate was in his heart, in his soul. i think he might disagree with barack obama, who said he is not against all wars. george mcgovern was not against all wars either because he fought courageously in one. but i think if he had been elected, he would have gone as out of vietnam as soon as he could. it certainly would have been a lot sooner than nixon did, with the country's tail between its legs. >> scott farris, quickly. >> i do not believe anyone will ever run as an anti-war candidate exactly the way he did. he showed what a presidential candidate can and cannot say about a war when america is involved in it. people were very unsettled when he was so uncompromising an

managed to survive what he did, speaks to his popularity with the party, but obviously people like gary hart and john edwards, herman cain did not. >> patti ann: you mentioned the 9-9-9 plan, et cetera. the other republican candidates are all weighing in, all of them giving praise to mr. cain, presumably they would paul love to have that endorsement, but newt gingrich saying we have to remember he was the person who had the courage to launch the 9-9-9 plan and raised the general level of discussion. and he was out there, with specifics in the debate trying to talk about issues and his supporters there all morning seem to really be hoping he was going to stay in. how are they reacting in the wake of his announcement? >> you know, and i talked to a woman, patti ann, who came up and said i was there in atlanta and i met new centennial park back in hey when herman cain announced and she says i'm very, very disappointed. you can imagine that, too, people came here to the headquarters, supposed to be an event for the opening of these atlanta headquarters, the building was leased out at the time th

and in spirit university political science professor gary hart among god told us earlier that the loss of votes by ruling party united russia should increase western acceptance of the elections democratic validity. elections. to reshape some of the. elections is an electoral process is simply manipulate it completely and so will the ruling party having lost considerable student does she looks great then it has been expected right western powers so the image of the whole building of course is very important to have an influence international relations and. russian built on. the communist party united russia's main rival is in second place and has almost doubled the number of votes it received in the two thousand and seven elections that according to preliminary results of course with counting still continuing and our correspondent there in english who is at the party's headquarters with the latest. they're not quite so liberating you wouldn't see any same pain around here but i have to say that they are rather calm and collected they went in way into this election promising increase in

is work university political science professor gary hart told us earlier that the loss of votes by the ruling party united russia have increased western acceptance of the elections democratic and that elected to do elections. to reshape some of the. elections is an electoral process is simply manipulate it completely and so will the ruling party has lost considerable today does she looks great then it has been expected right western powers sort of image the whole building of course is very important to have an influence international relations and. russia. and dr patrick fuller of capital science connections who has extensive a volved and international business and technology ventures in russia says that whatever changes may result from a new parliament it's vital that russia's drive towards modernization stays on quarles. modernization is really key for the russian economy isn't it as we go forward over the next ten or fifteen years as oil and gas revenues decline you have to ask yourself what what is going to move in to plug the gap so building an economy that's able to capitalize on

jake agrees reporting there from central moscow and let's now get some perspective from gary hart mine god who is a professor of political science at innsbruck university mr my god thank you so much for joining us now so what do you think the prospect of a coalition russia's parliament with the united russia's influence curbed compared to two thousand and seven means for the countries for in time will anything change . well first of all i do not expect it's rush or the united russia or that we need a coalition solely to be a lot of the informal coalition if they need one it will be only a coalition on on various issues and several parties represented in. the numbers tell us at the moment you're close to fifty percent of the world's even need all cheery slightly less see. how an absolute majority in the state don't even. want to find a percent of the awards are lost on parties did not manage to exceed just a are so percent threshold even slightly less well as to fifty percent might be sufficient so i don't think that they need a coalition in parliament if any of the other party support

maybe gary hart is right. without george mcgovern, the democratic party might have ceased to exist as a viable party. >> then give this one to both of you. will there be another antiwar candidate? in the future, like a mcgovern? >> the thing the differentiated him from other anti-war candidate was in his heart, in his soul. i think he might disagree with barack obama, who said he is not against all wars. george mcgovern was not against all wars either because he fought courageously in one. but i think if he had been elected, he would have gone as out of vietnam as soon as he could. it certainly would have been a lot sooner than nixon did, with the country's tail between its legs. >> scott farris, quickly. >> i do not believe anyone will ever run as an anti-war candidate exactly the way he did. he showed what a presidential candidate can and cannot say about a war when america is involved in it. people were very unsettled of wa candidate can say american is involved in it. people were unsettled when he was so o

or is it 1984, gary hart was leading walter mondale and this same scenario played over again with mr.he steady guy and he just waited it out and he won the nomination. which scenario do you think your party is going to end up with here if you had to guess? >> that's a good question. i would almost think it's a little bit closer to 2008 than 1984 simply for this reason -- you look at the 2008 race, what was the great driver for the obama machine ultimately? it was grassroots, it was how the base felt about the establishment. . it was how the base felt about hillary clinton. it was how the big money donors felt about the campaign that hillary and bill ultimately were running. i think this is a little bit closer to that in the sense that the base has already said for quite some time that mitt romney is a 22%, 25% candidate for them. 75% of the polls -- 75% of those voters are undecided or are willing to change to someone else if given an opportunity. so there's a great deal more fluidity here than maybe 2008. but i think it's a little bit closer to that. now, i don't know if that bodes w

as gary hart said to me, no wimp ever got elected president of the united states and i think that's a good thing. but these guys are going to go through a very tough time over the next few weeks. >> governor dean, when we had david axelrod saying this yesterday, just remember the higher a monkey climbs on a pole, the more you see his butt, which he was talking about newt gingrich. >> that sounds like james carville, not david axelrod. >> chief guru. what did you make of that comment? >> well, it's very colorful. as i said before, hearing james carville not so much david axelrod. but look, the media has a natural tendency to want to focus on the person that's on top. and they do, they build him up and they take him down. that's just part of the cycle. you know, it's tough. but again you have to have a very tough process for nominating the person who is going to be one of the two people who will contend for the toughest job in the world. so it's a very tough process. it's distasteful to a lot of americans, but it is a very tough process and you got to be able to withstand it. >> we'll h

in 1984, gary hart finished second place with 17%. walter mondale had 50%. the momentum somehow because he was only supposed to get 9% instead. seems a big failure for mondaleç candidates really have to watch how they manage expectations. you have voters behaving tactically. if rick santorum looks like he can wins a lot of people think of him favorably in iowa. if he's not viable, they might vote for a gingrich, perry or bachmann instead. voters are smarter than a lot of campaigns give them credit for, where they want to make sure their vote counts. the calculation can change day-to-day and be effected by the polls. >> the point you made there is so key to understanding the viability of ron paul. because if the republican establishment including all of the other candidates never see ron paul as viable, they will never go negative on ron paul. if they never go negative on ron paul, voters who are not part of the establishment, because they're just voters, may never see the downside of ron paul that the establishment assumes everybody knows. and he may be able

i don't think it's going to be fast enough, but if it gets in there, remember in 1984, when gary hart's what rick santorum is hoping for. >> michelle, why hasn't december we've seen everybody go through these boom/bust cycles you but rick santorum. if he comes in sect or third, that may be what we're talking about. does he have it in him to do that? >> well, you know yesterday's "the washington post" had a fascinating analysis of what's happening in iowa. people said to you, for example, i liked rick perry until i saw him in the debate. i liked newt gingrich until i was reminded about his ethics violation, i like michele bachmann, but her voice gets on my nerve. i'm going with the conservative, and that's rick santorum. i think this is his time to shine, at least in iowa. >> we'll see. >> those voters are looking for one like rick santorum. >> shameless plugs, mike. >> i was just driving by chris hitchens' apartment on columbia road, there's still flowers and johnny walker red. read his book, argue reply, it's out there. >> my wife, who does a better job for christmas each year. thank

. >> gary hart was george mcgovern's 1972 campaign manager. here is what he had to say about the democratic primary reform efforts. >> a think the history will show that he helped save the democratic -- i think history will show that he helped save the democratic party simply by chairing the mcgovern reform commission. by his insistence on the democratic party truly becoming a democratic party. because of his efforts and the efforts of many of you, the convention of 1972, as interesting as it was, helped save the democratic party and helped open the doors for young people, women, minorities, and people who had come up to that time, then shut out. it is fashionable for people to say there is not much difference between the parties, but there really is. there is a necessity for a democratic party and the kind of democratic party george mcgovern envisioned and helped create. >> what is your reaction, jules witcover or? -- jules witcover? >> mcgovern's role was a critical role. i go back to before 1968. i can remember in 1960 when john kennedy was

we watched people like gary hart, we watched mike huckabee.momentum gets up to the organization, it sometimes falters. you don't win states you win delegates. there are 2248 delegates, you have to have 1145 of them to win. it's not like winner takes all in florida, and california the big states like last time. megyn: last time if you won florida you get all florida's delegates. this is in the contest for the primary nomination. this time it's different, it's proportional. if you do well in florida you get a number of the delegates, even the guy who won first gets delegates. >> their 99 delegates are cut to 50. if you get 20% you get 20% of the delegates, which are 10 or 12. megyn: what happened with huckabee's campaign last time? how did he win iowa. many are suggesting gingrich has iowa locked up, but then he lost. >> he had tremendous support in the evangelical community. he had a great ground game there. the difficulty was moving that beyond. if fred thompson not have been in the south he would have beat mccain. if he would beat mccain in s

but, i remember to go to another election, gary hart got a lot of momentum out of iowa and finished first in front of mondale but as the process went on, he didn't that he have organization and missed ballots in key states and it cost him the nomination. it is about both and frankly if you can't get 10,000 signatures, in virginia, how will you run the government bureaucracy? i think it is a fair test, not the only one, but a fair test. >> eric: nine days to go before they go into the caucus in iowa. we'll see what happens. exciting. susan estrich. good to see you in person. >> jamie: nice have you here. >> wonderful to be with you guys. my friends from the monitor. >> jamie: true. you all should remember that fox news channel is america's election headquarters and you will want to join us for special coverage of the iowa caucuses, beginning tuesday, january 3rd at 6:00 p.m. eastern and this is only on fox news. serving and we talked about the investigation into those alleged fraudulent signatures in indiana. well, have you heard about what happened in south carolina? it has to do with the

. >> part of that movement led by george mcgovern's very smart young guy gary hart. >> that's true. > woman named hillary rodham. a lot of legacies. >> we're only three years out from it but how would you appraise senator mccain's post-loss career and influence. >> one thing i wrote about and gore to kerry in the olden days you lost the presidency, it wasn't a big deal. you were still considered an important statesman. henry clay got nominated three times. but then the age of television and the post-war period, once you lost, you were kind of a pariah. guys like mike dukakis having a tough time even getting a speaking slot at the next democratic convention. about gore, kerry and mccain, they've all tried to become more relevant. dukakis went back to teach school. dole retired from public service. mccain has tried to assume the old mantel of being a leading critic of obama very early on. his speech which we saw to open the segment, very gracious. did a lot to healing the divisions of the election, but pretty quickly he said, he's our president but let me tell you he's doing things wron