the great chariot race, walter mondale, gary hart in 1984. things, i could blow these up hang them on my wall. >> they were on your wall as a kid. >> that's actually true, too. >> we're talking about art and he's talking about political covers of "time" magazine. >> as art. that's art. >> only an art snob would say it's not art. >> warhol would agree with you, absolutely. >> any magazine covers that stood out to you in this election cycle? >> they don't do these magazines like they used to. "time" is not what it used to be. the daily newspaper has become almost what "time" was. it was the definitive statement. >> there's a book of new yorker covers throughout the years and they still have these artful covers that aspire to that sort of iconic status and they've had some covers that have been iconic and gotten them in trouble. >> controversial. >> yeah. so they are trying to do that. >> tv guide used to do it, too. >> there's a place for that, absolutely. we'll see those in a museum one day. >>> up next, krystal sends a little power to the peo

my girlfriend said to me, that reminds me of gary hart. what's he all about?ll of a sudden, it clicked. >> this is not polling, just a comment from a girlfriend. >> that's right. >> you probably liked her too much. >> no, no. i didn't actually. that triggered in my mind something that made some sense, we could put on the next poll. we put it on a poll, it tested well. >> so mondale used it in a debate. >> where's the beef? >> wendy's spent a hundred millions dollars on an ad campaign to give me an opening for a line. i want to thank them very much. >> that made a difference? >> it changed the race overnight. it confirmed in people's minds something that had been on their minds, which was is this guy really up to it? does he have the experience to do it? and hart, who had been on such an offensive all of a sudden has to be on the defensive, and he doesn't handle it very well. >> there were several things that hart didn't handle well, but that's another story. >> he was reeling. we came right back in with another punch, which was the red phone. >> the most aweso

and one who was not a-- and a pollster for gary hart and so on, he wrote in great part, what the mediapposed to be broke, instead spending money on polls in virginia, ohio and florida where obama clearly is clobbering romney in terms of television buys, you're down 8 points in ohio must be losing nationwide. it's not wrong, but it's obviously to suggest that romney is a goner. >> rick: kirsten, do you agree we'll hear stories about a tightening of the race because the media want to generate ratings and sell newspapers and magazines or perhaps a guilt on part of the mainstream media maybe we should be covering this a little bit more fairly than we have been? >>pist-- i think that sometimes media polls can be a little cooked. i have a friend, he used to do it for one of the media organizations and used to say, ding, here, it's been cooked, here is what you wanted. but the thing is, nate silver did a good analysis of the polls that show there are biases, but sort of evenly split if you look at the big polls. some are weighted towards republicans and some are weighted towards democrats so

. >> reminded me of gary hart, remember gary hart when the korean airliner was shot down with congressman donald on it they asked gary hart what he would do, he said i'd put up jets next to it and look in windows. it was just so -- such a silly answer before deciding whether to shoot it down. kind of a stupid answer. disqualifying. >> of the three who really are undecided, two of them voted for mccain. >> i think it was 6-6 last time. >> it is a statistic. thank you very much. >> the point is they're going both ways. >> final thoughts? >> to me, dave summed it up what a lot of people are going to end up doing. that feels like where most of the voters. they go through these debates. they go to the ballot box, no one lived up to what i asked them to live up to so who is the guy who is not as bad? >> women's issues may upset them. >> i would say that susan did not listen if she did hear it, didn't pay much attention to mario cuomo's 1984 speech, america is a business. >> can you find out why obama took two weeks to go to katrina? >> i'm here to take in information. i'm not here to dispense.

and another one is gary hart, whom i worked for for seven years throughout his presidential campaigns. another person is senator dd in the state of maryland who has a tremendous work ethic and treats every person that approaches her with a problem as if it's the most important thing in the world. >> she hasn't forgotten the neighborhood, has she. >> she has never forgotten the neighborhood and she understands that these jobs are jobs of public service. they might be public trust and they're very, you know, they're honorable titles to have. but they're at their core service. and those are some of the people that have motivated me. and i also greatly admire, you know, franklin roosevelt, teddie-- teddy roosevelt, greatly admire lincoln. >> i hope we can consider this as we follow the campaign. governor o'malley from maryland, back in a moment, stay with us. we continue in charlotte with the mayor of los angeles antonio villaraigosa, the chairman of the democratic national convention and co-chair of president obama's re-election campaign. i'm pleased to have him on this program again. >>

. >> some say it barack obama represented the gary hart vote as well as jesse jackson. will you ever have a republican primary candidate who can unite those sensibilities as well? the problem that mitt romney faces is that initially he had a plan that was less have the capital and then tax for middle earners. a total marginal change. then he felt right santorum might defeat him. he reached a plan designed to appeal to the editorial page. we said let's do a really big tax of one and then let's get back on them on one that would get these urban socially liberal voters in states we're not going to win regardless. you get parents of children to pay dramatically lower taxes. that is a thing i would imagine would resonate with voters. i think this is a problem for some of the candidates. >> the electorate is now. it is exactly even. is not disproportional. romney was the upscale candidate. this was a real class to survive. there is not an overwhelming balance. >> you can imagine someone else threading the needle difference. you have a mike huckabee who has greater credibility

>> yes to make an attorney cry is saying something but this is gary hart touching. this is.rybody is feeling mess. in my office everybody is feeling this. in that some level, there's a renewed faith in people because there has been some people that has just dropped off and made donations. in her name. it is nice to know that he was driving without insurance. it leaves her that one now. for play.. the father, the l help her. it will not replace the daughter. for now. >> thank you, michael cardoza. you can see the parents behind michael cardoza up. after she was trying to speak she was just too upset. i can tell you that the attorney david rosen would like to be released but that judge did not allow that. so he is being arrested and will be going to juvenile hall. he was requesting that his at bank of america, we're continuing to lend and invest in the people, businesses, and organizations that call the bay area home. whether it's helping a nonprofit provide safe, affordable housing within the city, supporting an organization that's helping kids find jobs and stay in school, o

it reminded me of gary hart. the airliner was shot down with congressmen macdonald, and he asked what he would do, and he said, i would put the jets and look in the windows, and it was such a silly answer before he decided to shoot it down. it was a stupid answer, and romney has the same kind of disqualifying -- >> it is interesting. the three who were really undecided common and two of them voted for mccain. faxon it is not a statistic. >> the point is they are going both ways. taiex i will take final thoughts. likes a lot of people said obama is just the lesser of two evils. they know they are going to get to the ballot box, and they are going to say, no one lived up to what i asked him to live up to, so who is the guy who is not that bad? >> i think the women's issues may affected. >> i would say susan did not pay much attention. america is a business. it is not a big family. that is a bold statement. >> can you find out why obama took two weeks to go to katrina? >> i think it is great restraint when someone s

earlier on, some people have said that barack obama is someone who both represented that kind of gary hart vote as well as the jesse jackson vote, uniting these two things. it became very, very formidable. now, the question of will you ever have a republican primary candidate who can unite those two sensibilities, and arguably george w. bush did that. now, the problem romney faces is that initially he had a tax plan that was let's just keep the bush rates in place, totally kind of marginal change. then he felt rick santorum might defeat him in guam, so he released a plan that was designed to appeal to "the wall street journal" editorial pawj. something that doesn't seem to have moved primary voters, but when you look at their sensibility and what they thought they had to accomplish, that's what they decided they had to do. you can imagine someone else saying, well, gosh, let's do a really big child tax credit and then let's do all these other things that'll essentially get a lot of these urban, socially-liberal, upper middle class voters in states we're not going to win regardless to pay s

some people said barack obama is someone who represented the gary hart vote as well as the jesse jackson vote. liu ever have a republican primary candidate who can actually tonight reunite. george w. bush as someone who did that. the problem it money faces -- he had a tax plan little corners. he felt the rick santorum might defeat him in michigan to hear these the plan designed to appeal to the wall street journal editorial page. totally contingent. it does not seem to have moved primary voters. when you look at their sensibility, that is what they said to do. you can imagine someone else saying let's do a big top tax credit and let's do these other things that will essentially get a lot of the urban social liberal all for mile-class voters and that the states will not win regardless and they get a lot of parents of young pelt -- young children to play the war taxes. that would resonate with primary voters by requires some level of credibility with the primary electorate. that is a problem for some of these candidates. >> it is now 50/50. it is not disproportional. mitt romney was the up

it reminded me of gary hart. the airliner was shot down with congressmen macdonald, and he asked what he would do, and he said, i would put the jets and look in the windows, and it was such a silly answer before he decided to shoot it down. it was a stupid answer, and romney has the same kind of disqualifying -- >> it is interesting. the three who were really undecided common and two of them voted for mccain. faxon it is not a statistic. >> the point is they are going both ways. taiex i will take final thoughts. likes a lot of people said obama is just the lesser of two evils. they know they are going to get to the ballot box, and they are going to say, no one lived up to what i asked him to live up to, so who is the guy who is not that bad? >> i think the women's issues may affected. >> i would say susan did not pay much attention. america is a business. it is not a big family. that is a bold statement. >> can you find out why obama took two weeks to go to katrina? >> i think it is great restraint when someone s

. >> alisyn: the last time a candidate dared that, gary hart, you saw how that ended.come on, do it, bring it on, and "the washington post" and they tact checked his speech. the first thing he claimed about the number of jobs created. let's listen. >> america has turned the corner. the worst job loss since the great depression, we've since created 4.5 million private sector jobs in the past 25-- 29 months. >> clayton: we've heard that number. 4.5 million so according to the associated press and others, point out, say it's misleading because it counts from the lowest point to where the employment began to grow again. excluding jobs lost earlier in obama's term. >> and basically, yes, 4.5 million jobs were created, but didn't talk about the jobs that were lost, which were 7.5. >> dave: you have to start them at the same point. the job losses and jobs gains start at the same point i think is what you're-- >> exactly. >> dave: that would make sense. number two, joe biden talking about raising taxes, on the middle class. listen. >> governor romney's believes it's okay to ra