so gary hart said the day after the 1984 primaries he said, welcome to overtime. he said i'm going to spend the weeks leading up to the convention trying to get those superdelegates to change their mind. do you know how many he flipped in those weeks? zero. he had polls that showed him performing better against ronald reagan, the incumbent president, than mondale. didn't matter to the superdelegates. gary hart, he tried to go to the conveengs, tried to peel them off. he couldn't do it. we saw it 2008. this sam point in 2008 heading into the final primaries of that process, hillary clinton could not catch barack obama when it came to pledged bell gatts. but, barack obama was going to need superdelegates to hit the magic number. and hillary clinton was saying those superdelegates should vote for me instead for two reasons, one she said because i'm winning the popular vote. if you add up all the primaries and caucuses, i have more votes than prk brk. that was a disputed claim because it was very close. florida, michigan if you remember any of this, barack obama's nam

what did hillary clinton in 2008 and gary hart in 1984 have in common?hey switched a grand total of zero superdelegates. zero. bernie sanders under this strategy he's outlining would be to switch hundreds of hillary clinton superdelegates after the primary season to win the nomination. and the two times in history we've seen a situation like this a grand total of zero have switched after the primary season. that's where that term presumptive nominee comes from. it's not etched in stone but we presume that hillary clinton has hit that num are about and that's why zero is our most important number of the day. when we come back, you'll want to stay tuned for this. dan rather is going to join us. going to talk about the challenge democrats face in uniting right now and the challenge they'll face in taking on donald trump in the fall. dan rather joins us live next. a. except that managing my symptoms was ali was doing. and when i finally told my doctor, he said humira is for adults like me who have tried otheredications but still experience the symptoms of mo

senator kennedy stayed in, gary hart did in 1984 and we sought with jesse jackson two times.e have stayed in to the convention. jerry brown stayed in to the convention. we have then through these things before and they and that not being all that consequential in most instances. mark: although in some historic instances, you could say it hurt the party. guest: people talk about 1980 -- jimmy carter was going to lose in 1980. there were hostages in iran and the economy was in terrible shape. john: would you consider putting bernie sanders on the ticket? guest: i think if she is moving that direction, she should go with elizabeth orin. guest: i think other people would be better. tim kaine or somebody like that who has some appeal in specific younger fee. guest: that's a safer choice and i think she's more likely to go there. john: both great men. up next, we will talk about trump. and if you are watching us in washington dc, you can listen to us on the radio radio. we will be right back. ♪ mark: joining us now, nbc correspondent katie turner who covers donald trump. we are tal

i went through this in '84 with gary hart, winning california, allowed us to go on to the convention, and have sort of trouble or not. whatever deal we were making. we have these things. he's going to go anyway. he has to. he's got to address the super delegates. >> a memo to donald trump. watch that clip from bernie sanders. that is the case to be made effectively against hillary in the general election. the foundation, the corruption. that's her biggest weakness. and that's where he ought to go. but that's for later on. >> we'll get into that a little bit later. i am seeing something trend now in my twitter feed, and that is this idea that he can go back to that. we are going to get to that. >> the registration numbers. >> let's talk about that a little bit. we've got a graphic we can put up. >> anecdotally, i would guess those are bernie sanders voters. >> look at how many new voters have registered in california. 650,000. 500 of them democrats. what do you make of it? >> if my memory was correct in the last 45 days, since the beginning of the year, i think there are another millio

ted kennedy, gary hart who have lost the nomination. their opponent clinched it. they stay in the race either to flip unbound delegates or try to push their policies. why shouldn't bernie sanders do it all the way to the convention? >> we are not telling bernie sanders what to do. he needs to make his own mind up about that. she'll have the delegates to be the nominee. we'll do what we can to reach out to appeal to his supporters, to appeal to his campaign and to him directly. we want to bring the party together because the country faces a major threat in donald trump. we hope he'll join us. he's been out there saying he wants to work seven days a week to stop donald trump. we hope that starting as soon as possible that he will go ahead and fulfill that commitment and work with us to make sure he's a successful candidate in november. >> let's turn to the general election. let me put up some numbers. the real clear politics average of recent national polls has clinton leading trump 43.8 to 42.3, well within the margin of error. in the swing state of florida clinton

there have been plenty of candidates, including kennedy and gary hart who is last the nomination and the opponent clinched it and they stay in to flip unpound delegates or push their policies. why shouldn't bernie sanders do this all the way to the convention? >> we are not telling bernie sanders what to do. he needs to make up his own mine. we are saying she have the delegates to be the nominee and we are do everything we can to reach out to appeal to his supporters and appeal to his campaign and him directly. the country faces a major threat in donald trump and we hope that he will join us. he has been identity there saying he wants to work to stop donald trump and we hope that starting as soon as possible he will go ahead and fulfill the commitment and work with us to make sure that she is a successful candidate. >> now turning to the general election: the average recent national polls has clinton leading trump 43.8% to 42.3% in the margin of error. in florida, a swing state, by two points. in ohio she heeds by his than 1 1.5 points. in trump is unfit to be president as clinton sa

as you well know there have been plenty of candidates over the years, ted kennedy, gary hart come to mind who have in effect lost the nomination, their opponent has clinched it and they stay in the race either to flip unbound delegates or to push their policies. why shouldn't bernie sanders do that all the way to the convention? >> we're not telling bernie sanders what to do. he needs to make his own mind up about that. what we are saying is that she will have the delegates to be the nominee. we are going to do everything we can to reach out to appeal to his supporters, to appeal to his campaign and to him directly. and we want to bring this party together because the country faces a major threat in donald trump and we hope that he will join us. you know, he has been out the saying that he wants to work seven days a week to stop donald trump and, you know, we hope that starting as soon as possible that he will go ahead and make -- fulfill that commitment and work with us to make sure that she is a successful candidate in november. >> all right. let's turn to the general election. let

gary hart and jesse jackson didn't concede until the convention. this race is over. they start looking at this race differently because it's no longer between bernie and hillary clinton. it's now donald trump and hillary clinton of it's going to take some time. vin: bernie sanders can be important for hillary clinton. if they ask him to do the right thing. the right thing in my view is not to beg him and say wonderful things about hillary which will only convince a lot of centrists republicans that maybe she is more liberal than i thought. but boy he can attack donald trump particularly with the young voters. we kind of count on the vice president to be that negative surrogate. bernie sanders not being the vice presidential choice can be a negative surrogate against donald trump. al: let me ask you about, does this really hurt the down ballot candidates? there have been times, clinton and reagan won re-election and didn't carry anyone with them, the old talk, you know before you were born about the eisenhower jacket and he wins and no one had any coattails. other tim

and gary hart beat walter monodale but he already wrapped up the race on east coast in new jersey.ns will be that folks in california may well still be voting when the networks report that hillary clinton has gone over the top and won enough delegates from her performance in new jersey. i still think that bernie in the end, he's going to go through the d.c. primary on the 14th. he's going to see all of the primaries through. i think the question is what does he do after that? what does president obama do? he's been hinting he wants to get out there for hillary clinton. does he try to help close the thing? but bernie is already emboldened, i don't think he needs more emboldening. >> you mentioned '72 and '84, a lot of democrats would like to forget how november turned out. talking about the challenge of unifying the party when this is all over, you think back to '72. that didn't happen. a challenge in '84. how big of a problem is that going to be for hillary clinton? >> i think it is something of a problem because of young voters, young voters who are very big for bernie are essenti

i'm not so presumptuous to think i could master all presidents and that's why i got great authors, gary hart, ran for president, have studied president monroe and written a book about him. these are three of my fabulous chapters -- i moon my fabulous authors. got political scientists, historians, legal scholars, people who specialize in the -- the biggest challenge in writing this book was to -- first of all, dealing with this many authors, who are all at the top of their game, is a little bit of a challenge, and i admit i rewrote and ed ited most of the chapters eight times each. they were very patient. but the whole idea was to get the aerial view how you connect together the threads that bring together the different presidencies, different eras of american history, and the biggest challenge wag not just doing the editing -- i wanted hit to read like a story, not like a disjointed collection of essays, and i hope you find that is the case. but one of the hardest things for me was writing the concluding chapter because this was an effort to take all 44 presidents, and bring some sense to it

that is why i -- many of you remember ran for president gary hart or studied president monroe, the monroe chapter, these are three of my fabulous chapters, fabulous authors, scientists, historians, legal scholars, people who specialize in this. the biggest challenge in writing this book is first of all dealing with this many authors who were all at the top of their game is a challenge and i rewrote and edited, most of these chapters 10 times each, very patient with me. the whole idea was to get the aerial view of how to connect the threads that bring together the different presidencies in different eras in american history. the biggest challenge, was not just doing the editing and wanted to read like a seamless story not a disjointed connection and you can find that is the case. one of the hardest things for me was writing the concluding chapter. this was an effort to take all 44 presidents and bring some sense to it. scenes that brought across presidencies, recurrent issues. and and it is proof person that none of this makes sense without historical context, you cannot understand preside

robert morgan of north carolina, and gary hart, presidential aspirant himself of colorado. and on the republican side howard baker who went on to be the majority leader. barry goldwater, presidential candidate. charles mathias of maryland, and dick schweiker whom you worked for of pennsylvania. so how did these 11 big figures get chosen by their respective leaders? what was the thinking in constituting these particular individuals? what would they expect the outcome to be with these people on the panel? >> well, i wasn't privy to those discussions. but my sense is that they chose people who had stature within the institution and within the nation. so that this would be considered a product of the senate and have the associated stature of the members. for me, it was really extraordinary in the sense that it represented a very broad spectrum of views from the most conservative to the most liberal in the senate at the time. and i think the task of the chair and the vice chair was to make sure that they could move together. and what fritz said earlier about the desire to make t

as you recall gary hart and jessie jackson didn't concede until the convention but this is over. they start looking at this race differently now because it's no longer between bernie and hillary clinton. it's now donald trump and hillary clinton. and it's going to take some time. and i think people who think that bernie can flip a switch and send his sporpters to hillary clinton haven't worked on a lot of primary campaigns. it takes awhile for people to-- you have spent a lot of energy being angry at the other candidate and you can't say well, now i feel great about it. but she's going to engage them on issues because these are people who really came into the process behind bernie around issues. she has to talk about issues, not just as four point plans but the value base below it which is what he has-- what bernie sanders has done a great job. >> i think that bernie sanders role in the fall campaign can be really important though for hillary clinton, if they ask him to do the right thing. the right thing in my view is not to beg him to go out and say wonderful things about hilla

you would have thought it was a gary hart convention. walter mondale was the nominee. again, the list goes on. the992, i was chairing platform committee and my friend jerry brown was running against bill clinton and took his fight to the convention. it goes on. it was hard for some people. in 2008, they came to me and said, do i really have to vote for barack obama? i was so committed to hillary clinton. i said, that is a decision you have to make. it is always hard. people are always hopeful. every candidate thinks he or she is going to win. they run. what is the purpose going forward? i think that bernie sanders has done a great job for our country, for our democracy, for the democratic party, and for young people. what is the next step? that is up to him. >> [indiscernible] we can talk politics all day and i have been all morning. then we will come to immigration. campaign isnders' still pretty adamant that he's going to take this to the convention. are you comfortable with that idea? rep. pelosi: he has to make his own decisions. i just described several convention

you would have thought it was a carrier heart convention -- gary hart convention. walter mondale was the nominee. ofin, the list goes on terms 92. turn the platform committee -- caring the platform committee -- iring the platform committee. it is hard for some people, in 2008 they came to me and said that really have to vote for barack obama? i'm so committed to hillary clinton. that is decision you have to make. it is hard. people are always hoping. every candidate thinks he or she is going to win. that is what they run. or to get their message out. the question is, what is the purpose going forward? i think bernie sanders has done a great job for our country and our democracy. and for young people. what is the next step? that is up to him. we can talk politics all day and i have been all morning. the new contamination. -- then immigration. >> adamant that he will take this to the convention, are you comfortable with that idea? >> he has to make his own decisions. i described here several conventions i was involved in where the candidates took it to the convention

gary hart took walter mondale all the way to california, won california but lost the delegate race, andf him. in the democratic party, i've never seen anything quite like this, nor have i seen anything remotely close to what's going on in the republican race. [laughter] stuart: brit hume, thanks very much for joining us, sir. appreciate it. >> last hour we brought you the news of the arrest of bill clinton's brother, roger. now we have his arrest photo. >> yeah. he was arrested for drunk driving in redondo beach last night, 8 p.m. loaj r local time, and was arrested. no one bailed him out. bail set at $15,000, so he is appearing in court today and that, indeed, is the mug shot. he's bill clinton's younger half-brother. stuart: got it. check this out. this is a rally. ladies and gentlemen, i bring you a monday morning rally and then some. now we're up 114 points for the dow jones industrial average. i'm trying to do the math real fast, looks to me like we're about 77 points away from dow 18k. get that graphic ready -- >> look at that. >> cue the balloons. stuart: all right. check hertz.

in 1984 gary harted and jesse jackson both stayed in the race until the convention.ly they were not as active candidates. they were not attacking mondale. they were trying to do things at the convention that required them to stay in as candidates. senator sanders has run a great campaign. he has spoken to millions of democratic voters in this country. it is going to be his decision what he does next. but he has said consistently that his number one goal is to make sure donald trump does not become president. >> yet yesterday i still heard comments slamming hillary clinton for the clinton foundation and for the perceived -- he didn't even say perceived, but the conflict of interest with having the foundation and having millions of dollars plowed into it. i mean, it -- to hear him still making comments like that as recently as last night, does it give you any pause or concern? >> you know, he is still trying to win some primaries here. it has been a contested race. as primaries always are. but listen, primaries are an argument about a direction of a political party. a

hart will address the club. on july 7, libertarian party presidential nominee, gary johnson, and his running mate, william weld,l speak. and on july 14, admiral mike rogers, the director of the national security agency, will speak at a press club luncheon. finally, i would ask that you respectfully stay in your seats until our speaker has left the room. he has an appointment he needs to get to immediately. now, i'd like to give our speaker the traditional national press club mug. [laughter] [applause] so for my -- my last question, i should have, i guess, asked you before if you're a pop culture person, but do you watch the -- the show, "veep," and -- and have you learned any lessons from it? >> well, you know, when i said at the outset of my remarks that, you know, the -- the story about it's uncool to be an optimist and i mentioned that pop culture is not my strength. one ramification of that fact is that i actually have watched "veep," i think once. and my favorite member of "veep" was at the correspondents' dinner when they had the photo -- when they had the five-minute video of joe biden and -- and the vee

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gary heart finished the primary season and declared the presumptive nominee. hart spent the summer making the same argument. he told the super delegates i'm more electable. he flipped grand total of zero of them. >> wow. steve, can i ask you about one of the metrics which is the majority of pledge delegates. senator sanders and his wife who is a senior advisor has focused on that. by the end of this race whoever is leading in the pledge delegates, that's something you can escape from. if hillary clinton is going to get a majority of pledge delegates, she could get there tonight. >> i think it's interesting because the argument you are talking about we heard less emphasis on that. it's become essentially impossible for him to leapfrog her in this pledge delegate count. if he were going to jump ahead of her, it would require him to not just be winning all the states, he would have to win california with something like 80% of the vote. that's what it would take. short of that, she'll have the majority. >> thank you. our first break has arrived. when we come back, the