if i vote for gary johnson how does that help? also the impediment to have them involved at all. >> one group is talking about hosting other debates. other groups make sure bala access has there was to take away the difficulty difficulty, electronic college, financing campaigns , it marinates in corporate cash. john: government cash of public financing. i call it taken by force giving it to the big candidates. ralph nader received $900,000. of course, bush got a 75 million and so did john kerry. >> we have that for the same reason of public parks and public schools if not for purchase had remake the common good available to all? and you got half of a billionaires' rolodex? >> it end up 75 /1 for the person using our money. with a pile and bundy bonds you can raise money and not take mine to do it. [applause] but why third parties are not popular but people use the two-party process to shake things up. it is happening more now with the tea party people who were in the primary to change their behavior. it is happening a little bit w

highly functioning democracy which brings us to the campaign of libertarian presidential candidate gary johnson johnson filed a lawsuit last week alleging that both democrats and republicans are breaking antitrust laws and conspiring to keep third party candidates out of the debates and those out of the us presidency currently debate rules set by both parties only allow for a candidate polling of fifteen percent to be allowed to participate in most major polls do not even include thirty party candidates as the suit reads and agreeing to these rules to exclude the plaintiff from participating in the debates the defendants are conspiring and contract to restrain the plate is from participating in the electoral process johnson is hoping the court will issue a temporary restraining order putting a hold to all presidential debates until all constitutionally eligible candidates or including me are included excuse me joining me now for more on this is judge jim gray the libertarian party's vice presidential candidate and running mate gary johnson judge gray welcome to the program. well tom thank you a

i am considering voting for gary johnson. libertarians are disenfranchised with the two-party system and are trying to find the best way to agitate. ron paul was great. gary johnson is doing his part that it many agree that he could be true to its principles once in the system because of the people are so stacked against them that we need to focus on persuasion and allow people to take care of themselves. i know focusing on the presidential election has that this outcome even with ron paul involved other than finding ways to present issues to think about liberty not to legislate or impose liberty but avenues to spread the message more effectively. >>host: why do you write about natural law? >> it is an easy term for those were not religious those to be freed from restraints in the right side come from the humanity so god has given us the rights. view talk to that acs is say different definition that the right soon come from us, not government. the fact we're human beings who are we are god's children, how the rights came to u

it's written by former new mexico governor, gary johnson. and he is also the libertarian party nominee for president in 2012. governor john said, when and why did you leave the republican party and become a libertarian? >> you know, i've probably been a libertarian my entire life. this is just kind of coming out of the closet. i don't think i am unlike most americans. i think there's a lot more americans in this country that declare themselves libertarians as opposed to voting libertarian. so the picture and trying to make right now is vote libertarian with me this one time. give me a shot at changing things. and if it does somewhere, you can always return to tyranny and i'm going to argue that so so we have right now. >> what are the seven principles of good government you read about? >> one as being reality-based. just find out what his wife, base your decision inactions i'm not. make sure everybody that knows -- that should know what you're doing, knows what you're doing, so communicate. don't hesitate to deliver bad news. there's always

gary johnson is doing his part. many libertarians disagree that a candidate, even a libertarian leanings one would be able to be true to his principles. so stacked against the principles of liberty, the inertia that is involved, many people become disenfranchised. ready to focus more on education, persuasion, and getting people to be self-reliant, take care of themselves so that they're not dependent upon the government to be that of others focusing so much in the presidential election will have a significant a consequentia of comfort liberty. even if we get someone like ron paul r. gary johnson involved other than simply spreading the message, having a bully pulpit, finding ways to present issues to people and get them to think about liberty, not necessarily to legislate liberty or the city of order, opposed the ready, but to have avenues by which we can spread the message more effectively. >> you read about natural law in this book. >> natural law is an easy turn to use to people who are not religious, who believe

gary johnson running for the libertarian ticket. >> how are things going? >> i cannot complain. >> we gave people a quiz quiz, one had to% are in libertarian having problems with the patriot act and wanted a balanced budget. are you having the -- a hard time convincing people? >> obama's says the rate things but specifically not reading marijuana medical facilities. what about perpetual war? will be continued the unsustainable that? just spoke libertarian the one time. >> and don't know the libertarian party likes that very much. [laughter] john: they q4 been there with the politicians. so i don't have to. >> thank you, john. john: we will do was show on third parties and you can learn more about president gary johnson would do. what about the republican war on women? john: wall comeback to the post democratic convention in the coverage. what three people faint of what do they hundred -- to what they heard? we have mark meckler, hadley and mark glesby. kennedy talked about being pro-choice but why is that just abortion? is that all women care about >> i can

that would be gary johnson.ou take three points, mitt romney goes down by three, you go up by three. it is mitt romney on a national level. >> actually, put this to the question in four different states and in two state, i take more votes away from obama. two states more away from romney, then just get back to the issue. who's speaking on behalf of most americans, which i would argue are fiscally responsible and socially accepting. >> colorado was another state where you really get a vote and that, i mean this is -- this is pot. >> and it is on the ballot in november to regulate marijuana like alcohol. i think it might be the tipping point to 50 states, 50-state dominos that will fall and bring about rational drug policy. we'll have to wait and see on that. >> and now, what about your view overall when you said fiscally conservative, i'm not just talking about pot, i'm also talking about your views on same sex marriage, you're for it. you also support a woman's right to choose. do you think some are coming to yo

now, gary johnson swings both ways.cans fear he could have an effect of michigan, pennsylvania and ohio, some democrats are worried he could hurt president obama in new mexico and colorado. in new mexico, recent polls show the president only leading by five points and among independents in the state, jo s johnson gets 12% of the vote. >> great to be on with you. thank you. >> so, some people saying look, you can come, make your point, but are you going to spoil the selection for one of the others? what do you say? you laugh. >> the notion that a wasted vote is somehow voting for somebody you believe in. look, for all those people that care about the fact that we con tinnily militarily intervene, let's stop the wars, the growing police state, let's balance the federal budget now, earlier in the segment, you were talking about taxes. i'm advocating throwing out income tax, corporate tax, abolishing the irs and the fair tax. not a vat, because a vat ends up to be just another tax. i'm talking about one federal tax that is

that they are then do it at the ballot box because that's the only thing we have left support gary johnson the libertarian candidate for president but jesse i mean what you're saying is in your book you're saying i don't believe in third party politics i believe you call that no party system but now you're saying you support third party no i'm saying i have to vote for somebody in the parties are still there i'm calling for the abolishment of all parties well that's not going to happen overnight but there's one thing we could do that would help immensely and even at the local level why do we allow party names on a on election ballot why not just the name of the candidate that's done to support the parties because you don't even have to know who the candidates are if you're conservative you walk in and look for the name republican if you're liberal you walk in and look for the name democrat take those names off the ballot republican democrat or any party then it becomes inherent for the voted to educate themselves what is joe johnson's stand for now parties could still endorse a candidate t

but in your book you said you don't even support third parties anymore so are you sticking with gary johnson oh absolutely i'm sticking with gary johnson he was governor of new mexico when i was governor of minnesota i have to vote for someone because i do vote in every election i just never vote for democrats and republicans and you know they always tell you if you vote for a third entity you're wasting your vote i'd like to reverse that thought and have people understand if you vote for a democrat or republican you've wasted your vote because you're going to get the same government no matter who wins or. over there there now i'm supporting governor johnson i urge people if they truly want to strike dollar against government if they're angry against government like the polls say that they are there to do it at the ballot box because that's the only thing we have left so poor gary johnson the libertarian candidate for president now is jesse ventura new york times best selling author and former minnesota governor catch the rest of that on our web site and as i mentioned earlier in the show wh

time with president clinton a democrat in power i think if a lot of people started voting for gary johnson you would see more attention to the deficit and the biggest thing driving the deficit right now that's easily correctable is to bring our troops home and stop wasting so much money on the military. let's leave it right they must always benedict live from the u.s. from the libertarian party giving his thoughts on that the upcoming elections in the u.s. . thank you well in the upcoming exclusive interview he has given to see the russian president also spoke about the u.s. election you can watch the full conversation with led me to putin right here this they say. in his first t.v. interview since his inauguration what if what if mitt romney gets in a quote from just a month or two ago could you work with him. will work with whoever gets elected as president by the american people but if it will only be as efficient as our partners allow it to be demure putin speaks exclusively to r.t. . some more international stories in brief right now cambodia is that the guy got freed the war co-found

i'm delighted to say governor gary johnson joins us in the studio. >> great to be here with us.ussion, you and i, some months ago, about the fact that republicans were quite determined to keep you out of the debates. and they did so in cahoots with cnn, i believe. and now they want to keep you off the ballot as well. what are you done wrong? >> well, i would be talking about issues that aren't being talked about by other candidates. the notion of not bombing iran. the notion of getting out of afghanistan tomorrow. bringing the troops home. marriage equality, believing it's a constitutionally guaranteed right. i would have never signed the national defense authorization act. i would like to balance the federal budget tomorrow. i would like to kick crony capitalism tomorrow -- >> i haven't seen a single element of that in mitt romney's platform. >> or barack obama's either. anyway, big differences between myself and the other two guys. and i am talking -- i want to point out that i'm going to be on the ballot in all 50 states. right now i'm on the ballot in 47 states and the distr

i also like gary johnson. >> of course. >> and the vibe of the ad is not really like he is in person, i find kind of humorous. but it's an interesting notion. just for this one election, we can stop for the rest of the elections, but for one time try a different way than you get the two parties end up governing in similar ways once they're in power. it's an interesting critique. >> stand by, matt, one second. when we come back on the other side of the break, you're going to tell what's happens if democrats lose in november. we'll get a sneak peek at the political week ahead in washington. breaking news sort of out of washington what the obama campaign is saying, and perry is going to desurvivor it after this. a lot of promises in in a little bit of time. we make a simple thing. a thing that helps you buy other things. but plenty of companies do that. so we make something else. we help make life a little easier, more convenient, more rewarding, more entertaining. year after year. it's the reason why we don't have customers. we have members. american express. welcome in. anyone have occ

john: he would not to endorse gary johnson. he is on the libertarian party ticket. ron paul has run as a libertarian. >> he stopped shy of the endorsement but those who feel disenfranchised by the republican establishment will takegood good hard look at gary johnson. the tea party movement and movement like rick santorum would be squashed with the rule changes. they are not happy. john: i am okay with santorum being squashed. i did not like it with ron paul. was it acceptance and maybe his son will carry on? were people upset? >> they had worked so hard. they were upset and trying to get him to speak on stage. it did not work. they were turned away. time will tell. in is what ron paul wanted to get across to the supporters. >> of they played a tape and after words and many walked out. did they notice? >> a did notice. there is discord. they make it seem like it is the united but it is not. the fissures have been exposed this week and it will have to reinvent itself. john: you can walk and talk with balloons is impressive. [laughter] talk about the republican anwr on

. >> the one who agrees this rum gary johnson. >> our things going?> i cannot complain. >> some people wanted to% are libertarian. they want a balanced budget. are you having a hard time convincing people there libertarians? >> obama's says the right themes but specifically said reading marijuana medical facilities. what about the perpetual war? will be continue the unsustainable that? vote libertarian just this one time. [laughter] kennedy: i don't know if the libertarian party likes that [laughter] john: thank you for being there. so i don't have to do it. john: next week we will do show on third parties and learn more about what president gary johnson would do. but what about the war on women? cop rock [cheers and applause] john: welcome back to oppose democratic convention in coverage. what about the free-market spot? we have our all-star panel. mark meckler, nick gillespie and hadley. kennedy talked to the delegates about being pro-choice. why is that just about abortion? are there other choice is? >> valhi care about. i cannot see the economy is

we started talking about libertarian candidate gary johnson. >> if gary johnson asked you to be his v.p don't think so. not at this point in time. i don't desire to go out in public service at this time again. he has a good choice with him already. i certainly would consider it. i did make public that i said if ron paul would quit the republican party and run as an independent, i would run with him. >> if gary johnson wins, i know that's a giant if and he wants you to be secretary of defense are you in? >> absolutely. >> ok. >> because i would cut defense. i would follow right what congressman paul said, close our foreign bases bring our men and women home, and i would stop building this empire that we have around the world. we're following right down the same path as the roman empire, and we all know what happened to rome. >> let me ask you about the swift boat seals going after president obama. now, you're a former navy seal, these guys saying president obama shouldn't take credit for the bin laden raid. i don't know where you stand on that. what's your thoughts? >> why shouldn't he?

. >> the one who agrees this rum gary johnson. >> our things going?omplain. >> some people wanted to% are libertarian. they want a balanced budget. are you having a hard time convincing people there libertarians? >> obama's says the right themes but specifically said reading marijuana medical facilities. what about the perpetual war? will be continue the unsustainable that? vote libertarian just this one time. [laughter] kennedy: i don't know if the libertarian party likes that [laughter] john: thank you for being there. so i don't have to do it. john: next week we will do show on third parties and learn more about what president gary johnson would do. but what about the war on women? we asked over 3,000 doctors to review 5-hour energy and what they said is amazing. over 73 percent who reviewed 5-hour energy said they would recommend a low calorie energy supplement to their healthy patients who use energy supplements. seventy-three percent. 5-hour energy has four calories and it's used over nine million times a week. is 5-hour energy right for you? as

stein with the green party support legalizing medical marijuana the federal level combining to gary johnson and joel stein are polling at around five percent and right now the romney ryan ticket may be peeling off those voters because ryan has come out in favor of federal decriminalization of medical marijuana that's still a lot of votes and considering presidential elections are rarely decided by more than five percentage points and it's politically important vital in fact for president obama to make a play for some of those supporters not to mention that is the right thing to do and one of the best ways he can do that is is but by right now coming out in full support of medical marijuana and ordering his department justice to stop any future crackdowns this really is a no brainer a recent poll shows the seventy four percent of americans want the president to respect state laws when it comes to medical marijuana and only fifteen percent of americans agree with the president the federal resources should be used to crack down on medical marijuana the president thinks he can afford to ignore

that i was at 5% of the national vote, the overwhelming reaction to that would be, well, who is gary johnsonwill be on the ballot in all 50 states come november as an alternative to mitt romney and barack obama. >> reporter: or as johnson bluntly puts it himself. >> it's a vote between tweedle dee and tweedle dumb. >> reporter: he's still not eligible in three states where there are legal challenges. one state that's safe for republicans, oklahoma. and two states that are hotly contested, michigan and pennsylvania. and it's those two states that pose the toughest legal challenges. pennsylvania and michigan. the obama campaign is already leading in both of those states. the mitt romney campaign is hoping to make some gains. here in pennsylvania the republican party has already challenged 40,000 plus signatures that were submitted to get the libertarian party on the ballot. but gary johnson's campaign has its suspicions as to why. >> they just don't want a third party candidate on the ballot. they don't want to give voters a choice. >> reporter: here's one reason why republicans could be conce

tomorrow gary johnson will be joining us. we will begin with mark from illinois on the line for independence. caller: i just have to say that the whole republican and democratic thing is getting out of control. i am 62 years old. i go back from eisenhower on. i call them republicrats. they all go for the same corporations. is so undemocratic it is ridiculous. we have to get somebody new in the system. it is gridlock. the congress cannot get anything done. these people just go make deals and make money for themselves. we have to get some new blood into this system. host: thank you for the call. we will be covering the debates. we invite you to watch and engage the mentor of the debates. you can do this on our facebook page. -- engage in the debates. we have covered every debate since 1984. the first debates took place and 1960, 52 years ago. next is bill also on the line for independents. caller: no more important today than they have been in the past. the two main parties, it gets harder and harder to distinguish them from on

rehabilitation and i recommend we go on the metric system to start running for vice president with gary johnson. it's amazing because from a different perspective he's come out with of the same analysis i have on these issues like education. today the time that you are wearing you chose how much to spend, where to go. like all other goods that's how we get reasonable goods for the prices but education is completely different than that. education is funded from the tops of the federal government has all this money and keeps a bunch of them gives it to the states and the schools use a lot of the administrative costs and it gets to the teacher. it isn't working today the schools are failing the children. if you allow it to be funded like your tie your shoes or anything else, that gives the parents the ability to decide where and how their children should be educated and they will then be a will to take their child to the school that best meets their needs and that would result in what? excellence, innovation because if your school doesn't work with the will to come to some other school. why are th

i'm running for vice president with governor gary johnson. it's amazing because from a totally different perspective has come out to pretty much the same analysis i have on all of these important issues like education. today, the tiger wearing and i like it, by the way. you choose how much is spent, where to go, what to buy. that is how we get reasonable goods for reasonable prices. education is different from that. education is spent from the top of the compass of the federal government spends all this money, keeps a bunch and give it to the state to their administrative costs and then give it to school districts. they use a lot of administrative cost and then it finally gets to the teacher. well, it is a working. today's schools are failing children. if you allow to be funded from the bottom-up, like your tie your shoes or anything else, that gives the parents the ability to decide where and how children should be educated and they will then be up to take their child to the school that best meets the child's needs and that will result in ex

you had gary johnson and offer the time to mitt romney. you're taking sides on sopa issue.hether or not to leave the internet completely open. you guys almost more than any other particular institution killed that bill, didn't you. >> yeah. we had, last time on the show --. david: you should mention what sopa is. >> stop on line piracy act as many folks referred to it as hollywood bailout. 10 of millions of americans called representatives and senators and said no. that day i was here, 1 senators turn to the other side, five of whom who were cosponsors. people outweighing lobbying dollars. thanks to forward thinking congress people, there are forward thinking congresspeople when it comes to the internet, folks like representative issa. we've seen great leadership in now moving it forward, making it clear don't trade on the internet. liz: alexis reddit, ask me anything. a interesting concept. >> thank you very much. liz: let me know when governor romney says he will do it. so far president obama and gary johnson has done it. >> we would love to have him. liz: good stuff. let

they expect jill stein and gary johnson to be there. >> more about politics -- tim kane and george allen are said to square off in a debate in northern virginia today. the debate starts at noon. it is prepared -- presented by the fairfax chamber. they call the race one of the most competitive in the country. stick with abc 744 coverage of the debate in our later newscast. >> business news -- chase users are experiencing outages. >> and the result of a census shows the economy may be in recovery mode. linda bell with the good news today. >> hello. the news you want to hear -- the big presidential debate between mitt romney and president barack obama is coming on october 3. the focus will be on the economy. recent data says that the economic outlook is improving. the number of adults living with their parents went down. the housing market seemed to start to stabilize. we are bound to have the lowest level in -- of poverty in the country. it also found the d.c.'s median household income was number one in the nation last year. you have baked -- jpmorgan chase dealing with an ordeal -- custom

gary johnson cuts both ways. strategists saying he could cut from obama in oregon and places.could cut from romney -- hard to factor exactly. they're paying a lot of attention, tried to get him off the ballot, in a number of states. >> maybe last question. on election eve, do you think we'll still be sitting here wondering who's going to win? >> probably not. but it is -- it is possible. it is possible. maybe the debates open up a kind of a lead that makes things more clear. but we could be looking at 46-47 -- >> especially the election debate. vital. >> absolutely. october 16. right. amy, peter, thank you for being here. >> thank you. >>> mitt romney and president obama try to solve two different problems with the same solution. that's next. ♪ [ female announcer ] for everything your face has to face. face it with puffs facial tissues. unlike the leading regular tissue, puffs has soft, air-fluffed pillows for 40% more cushiony thickness. so you can always put your best face forward. face every day with puffs softness. ntgomery and can always put your best face forward. abigai

gary johnson cuts both ways. strategists saying he could cut from obama in oregon and places.could cut from romney -- hard to factor exactly. they're paying a lot of attention, tried to get him off the ballot, in a number of states. >> maybe last question. on election eve, do you think we'll still be sitting here wondering who's going to win? >> probably not. but it is -- it is possible. it is possible. maybe the debates open up a kind of a lead that makes things more clear. but we could be looking at 46-47 -- >> especially the election debate. vie vital. >> absolutely. october 16. right. amy, peter, thank you for being here. >> thank you. >>> mitt romney and president obama try to solve two different problems with the same solution. that's next. ♪ ♪ [ multiple sounds making melodic tune ] ♪ [ male announcer ] at northrop grumman, every innovation, every solution, comes together for a single purpose -- to make the world a safer place. that's the value of performance. northrop grumman. perform, compete and grow. and people are driving this change. that's the power of human reso

gary johnson joins me now. good day to you, governor. nice to see you again. >> hey.hank you for having me on, alex. >> well, before we talk about this lawsuit i want to put out the numbers here. among likely voters nationally speaking when you're the mix with president obama and mitt romney you get 6% of the vote. that is the best you have polled nationally. but the bar is set by the presidential election commission. it stands at 15%. so do you expect to get there at any point? >> well, let me state the obvious here, alex. do you hear my name six times for every time you hear obama or romney's name 100 times? >> no. >> you hear my name one time for every 5,000 times you hear these guys. if i were just being given that six-time mention for every 100 times these guys were mentioned, you know what? i wouldn't be at 6, i'd be at 11, 18, i'd be the next president of the united states. but it is what it is. and when it comes to presidential debate commission, look. presidential debate commission are made up of republicans and democrats. they're a private organization. they

if it were i think the overwhelming reaction to be who the hell is gary johnson and maybe i ought toil: i can see you cutting both ways, you could take some votes away from mitt romney, you could take some votes i guess in colorado away from the president. but you argue, we get the argue upside down. it's not about taking votes away, it should be an alternative period. and third party candidates never amount to beyond being seen as spoilers. >> i maintain a wasted vote is voting for someone you don't believe in. i end up in some states taking away from obama and in some states from romney. back from the debates, how about the notion, let's not bomb iran, let's get out of afghanistan, end the drug wars and balance the federal budget tomorrow and scrap the federal tax system and replace it with the fair tax, that would be an interesting debate, i think, of course, but i'm a little biased. >> neil: somehow you got into the republican convention and i was curious, how you made that happen. >> that was you, you all snuck you in there. >> neil: i had nothing to do with it, nothing to do wi

jill stein was in north bay and palo alto while libertarian county candidate gary johnson was at uc berkeley. >> everybody has a platform, i suppose. >>> 4:51. after a brutal line drive to the head, brandon mccarthy, talking about possible safety measures for pitchers. what he thinks thank you shot be done. >>> and the golden gate bridge, we have a little haze. >>> the time is 4:54. sometime today we're expecting the official announcement on whether or not melky cabrera will play for the giants come postseason. yesterday csn bay area insider andrew baggarly reported the giants would not be putting cabrera in their lineup. general manager bruce bochy is -- actually manager bruce bochy is expected to make that official today. cabrera, reportedly disappointed with the club's decision but does not have plans to file a grievance. >>> just weeks after he was hit in the head with a line drive, the a's brandon mccarthy talking about possible safety measures for pitchers. mccarthy said he would be willing to look at prototype helmets but doesn't want helmets to become mandatory. he says, quote, it's