and what is interesting, gary k. started out the segment talking about the added costs that unions bring to the process and you pointed out, charles, that companies all across the country are producing training videos, to encourage their employees, not to support unions and they could save money by not producing -- >> patricia brought up, more importantly the card check aspect of this. listen if people want to unionize, they want to unionize but the core problem for folks is the card check thing where the issue of privacy is out the window and that invites a lot of intimidation and other things. >> absolutely. >> it's not -- >> it is not legislation and they've moved on from the card check provision and is not something to be overly concerned about and one more thing i wanted to get back to, dagen wal-mart is a terrific company. it has always been anti-union and always will be. that's fine, you can't hold them out as an example when you know -- >> one of the greatest job creators in the history of the country. the la