gary kasparov is probably one of the finest international mind i know.ter champ extraordinaire. much more than that the way he thinks. latest book, enemies of the free world must be stopped, he dei will at thats a lot of stuff predicted over the years eerily coming out to play right now. i was joking with him during the break here that vladmir putin is helping him sell his book. good to see you. >> thanks. neil: the biggest thing you feared is our non-reaction to a lot of this stuff and i'm wondering if that embowlens someone like putin, right? >> emboldens putin. it emboldens iranians and north koreans all the dictators in the world. they're getting more aggressive, more arrogant. they feel invincible if they see no action from our side. all we hear now is weakness, indecisiveness and retreat. neil: i think you were the first to come up with that line very familiar now. putin is playing a game of chess, we're playing checksers. others say he is playing a bad game of chess because this is short-lived chance in the sun. >> not so much because he knows how

but gary kasparov says this matters in different way, that reinforces image, gary you say is very importanttin? >> it is vital. the mafia boss, dictator, they must look strong. nobody should dare to challenge them. they know that you know one thing you can't afford, any sign of weakness. any sign of weakness because it is a bunch of people around them and any sign of weakness, they -- neil: i thought we were kind of past this macho bra -- bra vowed dough thing? >> unfortunately not. this bravado is it manufactured. there is weakness on the other side. there is no vacuum. from history dictators, are always grow hing stronger, more arrogant, you know, what emboldens them, the weakness from the opposite side. the free world. neil: you misread that right? didn't khrushchev misread that john kennedy wasn't lex wall? >> world war ii. chamberlain, hitler. this kind of psychological -- neil: the bully can get it wrong. khrushchev got kennedy wrong. >> yes. but what price will we pay for learning that -- neil: to get to that point. okay. >> yes. from history we know that you know, even today, the pr

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gary kasparov joins us now. >> thanks for inviting me. >> it is amazing how quickly russian influence has increased. now we have reported about russia submarines trying to sniff out under sea cables. is this a new chapter for you if. >> it is a new chapter but we can predict it because putin will do everything created by american nature, whether it is syria and next stop it is benghazi and now he looks over the water. his goal is to destroy national stability because he has no rational for power in russia. he has to present his case to the russia people and the economy is in shape and people in russia understand he will not improve it. so aggressive foreign policy and addressing interest of russia, that is his only trump card. >> and in your book, you urge the west, and other pours to understand this and balance it. but my question is when it comes to syria, if suddenly the interest of russia and the u.s. are aligning, as kiginger suggested, if they try to defeat the islamic state, is that the right approach. >>

architects, one of vladimir putin cites garry kasparov author of winter is coming why vladimir putin and the enemies of the free world must be stopped. garying is. >> thanks. >> talk about the latest news and sort of what is going on, in terms of putin's motives, in syria how do you see it. >> putin, keeps adding, and testing the resolve of the united states, and nato, because he has to show back home that he is the leader, invincible peat the world can defy americans more russian in syria than troops, because every day, russian television, the all sorts of pictures all angles demonstrate how great, how weak is united states. >> it is interesting i think that one of the mistakes in that american come at a timeors made looking at foreign policy they tend to look at middle east terrorism, as through cold war lens think you can handle isis the same way you could have handled soviet union now beer back to the soviet union. and we need to get back to that cold war mind frame think about you know putin has something to lose and we need to let him know that. >> window is coming, so it is -- and, winter is coming, absolute right many, many in thi