joining us now, msnbc contributor joy reid, gary kazmir, a former new york city prosecutor who does criminal and civil litigation, and former prosecutor marcia clark who is also the author of the new novel "killer ambition." so let's go around the horn and talk about the one little indication that we got from this jury. we've been trying to read them, read them like tea leaves. they want a list of the evidence. joy, let's start with you. >> i think because this is a murder trial, because it has such gravity both for the defense and also for the victim's family, i think the jurors are being careful. they're not going to give mark o'mara the quick verdict they wanted. they're going to go through evidence piece by piece by piece. i think they're being responsible jurors. >> gary, what do you think? >> joy is absolutely right. they are being responsible, as most jurors do. they are taking it one step at a time. they asked for the evidence list at 4:00 and then recessed. they're going to start early tomorrow and probably call in some of the pieces of evidence so they can look at it. >> i guess we

talk more about what happened in this, legal contributor seema and former new york city prosecutor gary kazmir both here. seema, we've had an opportunity to talk about this before. did you think that we were going to get the verdict that we received based on how the prosecution laid out its case? did they connect the dots for this jury? >> no, they did not connect the dots. unfortunately, i wasn't as surprised about the verdict. saddened, but not surprised. that is because of -- not about the lawyering, not about who's flashier than the other. it is about the presentation and the order of the presentation of the evidence. i have said repeatedly the prosecution shut never have put mr. zimmerman's statements into their case in chief, prosecution. prosecutors usually don't put statements where a defendant says, i'm not guilty, in their case in chief. if they didn't do that, that would have forced george zimmerman's hand to testify if he had wanted to get the self-defense charge to the jury. and then his inconsistencies would have been confronted. so i think from the beginning of this case, i knew