. ♪ ♪ >> gary kushner has played an influential role in the trump campaign.rday, we talked about reports that security clearance was eventually going to be solved for gary kushner. it has been suggested that he is going to go inside the government even though he is the son-in-law of the president to be. he is very camera shy and does not do many interviews. since it is clear he doesn't want to shape his brand on his own, what could his allies due to put it in a better place? >> i used to live in the same building as them. his reputation, a lot of people do not know a lot about this guy. his father wrote a check to get him into harvard. he has had unsuccessful splashes into their real estate business. he has been an effective member of the campaign. he is supposed to be a decent guy that only spends time with his family and work, a very serious guy. my question is, what is the credibility he has? i think he needs to be front and center so people can look and touch and smell that he is 35. >> i agree. bannon has a longer paper trail of negativity. the fact that

. >> even if his adult children and gary kushner, his son-in-law, do not take salaried positions, they'retrusted advisers for him. as we've seen throughout this transition, he can't really function without them as advisers. they've been integral to this process. that's why you're starting to see, for example, the wall street journal said he should just liquidate his holdings entirely. this blind trust will not be a blind trust. he will know which deals internationally would help or hurt him and his business. why shouldn't we assume that that's going to be at least in the back of his mind as he's crafting these international negotiations. >> remember, that was the demand from. we had the clinton administration with businesses. i want to see where you see these potential appointees. we have mitt romney going in there, and we heard there was talk of telsea cabot going in there. you have a republican who personally criticized him, mitt romney. are these normal, in your view? >> they're substantive. he and mitt romney talked for 90 minutes. at least with the people he's bringing in, there is a

. >> what do you guys think about the role gary kushner could play?what, if anything, do we know about policy interpretations or what substance and guidance he might give to the incoming president, beyond personnel and beyond just kind of look and feel? >> his family was one of the largest democratic donors in new jersey. i think, like trump, he's been a pragmatist who has been commercially oriented, so you're absolutely right. we do know that he favors technology, and to have a younger person there whose technology focus is friendly. so to help bring in some other people that are younger, more tech savvy, would help. >> didn't he write or have a big influence on the israel speech? >> absolutely. he comes from an orthodox family, so he'll bring that sensibility. you're absolutely right, nobody knows, because this has been a family business. the campaign was an extended family business, but it's still a very close family. >> the thing that comes to my mind is nothing to do about him, it's to do about interest rates. interest rates, obviously, we know a