gary lieberstein is district attorney for napa county. marvin spieth overcease parole agents for the california department of corrections and rehabilitation and carla javits is president and ceo of redf. welcome to all of you. let me begin with you, marvin, there's some 80 lifers getting out of prison on average in california. 80 a month. what do they face? they get 200 bucks and a bus ticket. then what? >> thank you, scott. the parole department has several issues that come to fruition when a lifer is released on parole. first, we have victim and survivor issues to deal with. >> what do you mean by that? they have to be notified? >> we have an entire victim and survivor services unit at the department of corrections and there are a myriad of services that go along with that. victims, they're going to feel like they're being revictimized by seeing this individual back out on the street. the other factor is a lot of these individuals have committed murder within their own family. so you have a situation where they're coming out of prison a