gary mcclain is a professor at london metropolitan university. good morning, thank you for coming on. can you hear me? >> yes. >> good morning, thank you so much for coming on. >> good morning. sorry about that. >> that is all right. we're all trying to figure it out, live reporting in this era. i want to talk with you -- just mention that the united kingdom is still seeing shortages in ppe and still behind in testing. what do you see as issues facing the united king com right now? >> yes, obviously case numbers are still increasing. europe is the epicenter of the outbreak right now. many countries are suffering. i think that we have to continue with the lockdowns. the ppe issue is really an ongoing problem. we're seeing the frontline staff really lacking for the essential equipment that they need. the government is however ramping up the testing for those people that are on the front lines, we're seeing more people getting tested and hopefully that will continue. and we'll consequently see case numbers dropping soon. >> that hasn't been the case

. >> and earlier i spoke with gary mcclain, professor of molecular technology at london university. i asked him for his reaction for the georgia governor's decision to re-open. >> i wouldn't say a tattoo parlor, massage parlor is essential. case levels are still very high, not decreasing. no evidence of it going away just yet. it's rather soon and very alarming to be honest. >> and other countries with far fewer deaths and infections are either extending their lockdowns or slowly opening up small businesses, small shops. why do you think there's such a rush to open up the united states when it has the highest number of infections and the highe highest death toll in the whole world? at the same time has insufficient testing for covid-19 and very little contact tracing. >> yeah, this is obviously a problem on many levels. i think united states has the advantage where it is a little bit behind what's going on in europe and what we're seeing in europe, the countries are still remaining lockeddown or some countries very, very slowly easing restrictions. in the united states it seems to b