i am joined now by gary orfield who's the professor at ucla who did the study. welcome to "chasing news". how are you? well, i have to ask you. >> the reaction was so what. >> basically what the court said was a half century ago that segregated schools in inherently unequal because they are not segregated by race, but also by poverty, by the nature of the curriculum and segregated by the likelihood and going to college and level of competition and the whole system of -- bill: can i ask you something? on that, wouldn't it have everything to do with economics. if you look at the makeups of new jersey. you got camden and newark that have a very, very high concentration of minority population. so you don't have a real mix in the city that would stand to reason they will reflect that? >> well, you got residential segregation that is serious. you got division of the metros into many separate school districts and nobody is doing almost anything to overcome it. there are lots of things that can overcome it. bill: doesn't it stand to reason that segregating is something