we can go on there if gary payton is on there. talk with them and that is what they want. emily: he went on to say that athletes are investing with these apps because they want to share the v.i.p. treatment with fans. and back to our long-term show in our conversation with steve balmer. in part three, i asked him about his views on salesforce. he has a very public friendship with the ceo. but steve balmer said he could never get the math to work. >> it is too expensive. it is a fine company. is it a great company? i don't know. in my opinion, relative to earnings potential, it is dramatically overpriced. emily: do you think they are headed for a disaster? worldview, at some point in time, the market will ask companies to make profits commensurate with their market cap.. amazon does not either. they have great potential. it is a great company. when will be market demand that? i cannot say. when will they demand that from salesforce? i cannot say. emily: is amazon getting a pass from wall street? >> they are because i think people b

that they are like, oh, gary payton is on here, snoop dogg is on here, let's talk.ing things back and forth to them, they're getting more into this app and then they want to be on it every night. we can go on the air, gary payton's on there, let's chit chat with him and let's trash talk with him. and that's what they want. emily: payton went on to say, athletes are investing in apps like gameon because they want to share the v.i.p. treatment with fans. back to our interview, steve ballmer. former microsoft c.e.o. part three of our exclusive conversation, i asked ballmer about his views on sales force. a public friendship with salesforce c.e.o. but ballmer said he could never get the math to work. take a listen. >> it's too expensive. it's a fine company. is it a great company, i don't know. it's a fine company. but in my opinion, relative to earnings potential, it is dramatically overpriced. that's just my opinion. emily: do you think they're headed for a disaster or -- >> i don't any if the company's headed for disaster. in my world view, at some point in time, the