i have done books with sports stars gary sheffield was a baseball player laila ali, mohammed ali's daughter a boxer. i have done all kinds of books and i would love to do a book on a politician. >> host: does your name get out there? once you have your name on a book and someone sees it how does it snowball into another book? >> guest: i am still hustling and i believe in the hustle and you know i will tell you a quick story. when i did my first book the ray charles book i thought it would get a call from paul mccartney nick jagger and eric clapton and hear it for the rest of my life because ray charles is such a megastar. nobody called. nobody called and one of the things i learned is that i can't count on the books that i have done to generate more work for me that i have too continued to go out. now i have an agent who i love and he is also very proactive and his name is david z. leon i'll but i don't take anything for granted. but i also have to say and maybe this is what kept me as a ghostwriter who has always been able to work, i like the hustle. i like phonecalls and i think it's goo

and i've done books, i did -- i've done books with sports stars, gary sheffield was is, was a baseball player. laila ali, muhammad ali's daughter. i've done all kinds of books and i would love to do a book with a politician. >> host: does your name get out there? once you've got your name on a book, does somebody see it? how does it snowball into another book or another contract? >> guest: well, i'm still hustling. i mean, i believe in the hustle. you know, i'll tell you a quick story. when i did my first book the ray charles book, i thought it was all over. i thought the next day i'd get a call from paul mccartney, mick jagger eric clapton, and i'd just have gigs for the rest of my life because, you know ray charles is such a mega star. nobody called. nobody called. and one of the things i learned is that i can't count on the bookings that i've done to generate more work for me, that i have to continue to go out and -- now i have an agent who i love, and he's also very proactive, and his name is david. but i, i don't take anything for, anything for granted. but i also have to say -- a