gary steele, remarkable ceo.d, he gets an all cash deal, after all of the value creation he's done. so what does that say about companies out there? this is an expensive deal. gary steele did well for his shareholders >> nine times next year's revenue, it is usually a pretty good multiple one would think. but i don't know what the purists are for this company and what their multiples are, jim. although i assume it's less at least, obviously, with takeout, you're typically paying the control premium. >> gary, he has a cloud business i think that now, everybody's going to start looking, it's very expensive companies, and now it's a public company, but i never thought that -- gary steele has been on "mad money," i don't know, maybe a dozen times. >> right. >> i never heard for a minute that he would sell out but carl, when you get a bid like that, you may have to, it may take forever, no, it may take a couple of years to get your stock where that is, and i applaud gary, he's, he does, you know, remember, he is softw