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noticeably one man had a gun in his waistband. >> gary tuchman joins us now live from north carolina.t'd you learn about what went on inside the church service yesterday, gary? >> reporter: i should tell you first, we wanted to go into the church, but we were told that no reporters were allowed on the grounds. people know who i am. but there was a reporter who wasn't as well known who was with the hickory daily record and you were saying in the beginning that the pastor got a standing ovation. in addition to that, the pastor told the congress grow gags he appreciates their support and he said, i've been preaching for 53 years and, quote, do you think i'm going to bail out on this now? . >> it's interesting for someone who says he's not bailing out, he still refuses to answer any questions to anybody. >> reporter: yeah. and i don't think he's interested at all in talking to outsiders. particularly the news media. i have been told, though by that director who i talked with that they are consulting with their lawyers right now. ultimately perhaps their lawyers will advise the pastors to

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cnn's gary tuchman tells us that worley's flock is standing behind him. >> special prayer service wasat this church, hundreds of people turned out to support their pastor and support the words he uttered on mother's day that hurt so many. we wanted to talk to pastor charles worley since we have been here. normally we'll go into a church service, we're invited, even a controversial story, church, mosque, synagogue, people usually let us in. in this case we're being told by the local sheriff's office if we step foot on the property, we'll be arrested for trespassing. we haven't done that. we spent time talking to a woman who has been to about 20 services of this church. she did not attend this special prayer service. there's two reasons. we'll call her jane to protect her identity. she's not a member. number two is the most important reason. she is a lesbian. she's obviously very outraged at what was said on mother's day but her feelings are very complex. we're protecting her identity because she has two small children and not all her children's friends' parents know she's a lesbian. >>

gary tuchman has their story in this start small think big. >> reporter: after the 2010 earthquake inrom around the world helped with the relief effort. but two graduate students felt something was missing. >> we teamed up two weeks after the earthquake happened in haiti because we both had a common interest in exploring the use of solar lighting and renewable lighting and disaster relief aid. >> reporter: so andrea and anna came up with a bright new idea. it's a small, solar-powered light that infillets making it water proof and easy to ship. >> we kind of came to believe that light is a basic human need. light really should be a part of what is included for victims in the wake of a natural disaster. >> reporter: when japan's earthquake happened last year andrea and anna put their product to use. >> we were in tokyo so things were relatively stable in that part of the country but what ended up happening is there were rolling blackouts and people across the city were trying to conserve power. >> lumin aid lights provide up to eight hours per charge and are fully charged in five hours

but first gary tuchman outside the church in north carolina where there are late developments. gary, what is the latest there? >> reporter: well, right now as we speak, a special meeting is taking place at the providence road baptist church, a prayer meeting. scores of people inside all supporters of pastor worley hoping for the best of their church and their pastor. is worley inside? we don't know that for sure. he's staying away from us. church security and sheriff's deputies are telling us we cannot step foot on church property. earlier we went to pastor worley's house to try to talk to him. when we got there, many members of his family were outside. we parked the car. they scattered inside the house so quickly we found a lighted cigarette still on the windowsill. and sheriff's deputies came there too and told us we have to stay off their property also. this is a very small town but there are many people not affiliated with this church who are embarrassed by the situation. among the people who are friends with this pastor and belong to his church, there is strong support for

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cnn's gary tuchman went to north carolina to ask him if he still stands behind that sermon. >> reporterworley made his infamous speech and it went viral, we wanted to get a chance to talk to him to see if he was sorry for what he said and the tone. he dodged the press. we made an effort to find 4i78 and we did. we haven't seen nor heard from pastor worley since his antigay sermon went viral until now. pastor, would you like to take back anything you said? pastor, i want to give you a chance to take anything back if you care to. pastor worley had plenty of opportunity to answer either question. he chose not to. instead, he was on his way to his church for a sunday service. on the same day that hundreds of people from north carolina and other parts of the country protested the pastor's now infamous sermon. >> build a great, big large fence, 150 or 100 mile long, put all the lesbians in there. fly over and drop some food. do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals. >> i felt that he was preaching bigotry. my god is a loving god. my god loves everybody. >> this is not a preacher.

a large protest is scheduled by a civil rights group. >> gary tuchman reporting.mpered his sermons lightly, only taking the word queer out of his statements. >> little shocking there, huh? >> just a little. >>> 35 minutes past the hour. senate finance committee is investigating a charity that is supposed to be helping veterans. disabled veterans national foundation. cnn examined the tax records and very little of the millions raised by the foundation over the past three years has actually gone to help veterans. $61 million has gone to a direct mail company that works with the foundation and many other charities. something senator max baucus of montana finds very suspicious. >> frankly, i smell a rat there. using the veteran's organization as a front for themselves so they get the contributions from good, well-meaning, wholehearted americans thinking they're helping disabled vets when, in fact, it is going to this other outfit, fund-raising operation and none of the money is going to the vets. >> watchdog group charity watch gives the disabled veteran's national fo

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one, he doesn't have the guts to talk to us, or, two, he doesn't really care what we think. >> gary tuchman you know that an advocate for separation of church and state is now planning to file a complaint against pastor worley and that man's name is receiverend barry lind and he thinks they should lose their tax exempt status. >> it's so far over the line, there's nothing nuanced about it and there's no guarantee under the first amendment that you can say anything you want and keep your tax exemption. >> now, local activists are planning a protest outside of worley's church set for this sunday. the reality, though, you covered a lot of stories on tax exemption status. >> every election year it comes up. usually a baptist church is talking about abortion and that's -- where they stand on the pulpit and they talk about who you should vote for if you are against abortion and that's what usually comes up. and the irs in my reporting the irs is careful about picking which churches to proceed against for electioneering from the pulpit, there's a whole host of legal precedent here as well, but in

we sent gary tuchman to hawaii around the same time to find evidence that mr. born through but no trump investigators. i asked him about it months ago. >> we've had a team in hawaii talking to everyone from the state health department to the school where obama's mother went to other families in the hospital at the same time as he was born. none of them say they've been contacted by anyone working for you. >> well, maybe they're not saying it and haven't contacted the same people. >> we've interviewed the former director of health. one of the officials who've seen the certificate you're talking about in the vault. she says she hasn't been contacted by your people. i mean, isn't that somebody they should talk to if they're there? >> i've been told recently the birth certificate is missing. i've been told it's not there and it doesn't exist. if that's the case, that's a big problem. >> who told you that? >> i heard that two days ago from somebody. >> can you name one person your investigators talked to? >> i don't want to do that. it's not appropriate. >> you can'

however, we sent gary tuchman down there this week and he spoke to a number of parishioners who stoodr pastor. take a listen to this. >> takes a real firm stand on the bible. and what it says about different things. whether i like it or not, or whether anybody else likes it or not. he stands for the bible. >> when you heard the pastor, and you heard the silence in the room, that kind of was an indicator that no one really contested what the pastor was saying. but what about other religious leaders, eric? >> as you listen close to the tape, there weren't gasps. it didn't sound like people were getting up and leaving the room. but we have heard from a lot of other pastors in north carolina and in the broader -- across the country as well, one in particular the southern baptist convention, the biggest baptist group in american with 16 million members. this church in north carolina is not a member of that convention. they're an independent group. so these southern baptists came out and soundly condemned virtually everything he said, despite the fact that they are opposed to same-sex marri