gary tuchman, thank you so much for that. more now on the politics and the notion, which pollster frank luntz raised on this program last night that anything the legal system throws at the former president somehow only makes him stronger. joining us now, former illinois republican congressman and january 6th committee member adam kinzinger and alyssa farah griffin, who served as the former president's white house communications director. congressman, do you think the supreme court should uphold the colorado ruling? and do you think it actually would? two different questions. >> it doesn't seem like they're going to, from what i'm hearing. they may. who knows? i think it's really up to their decision. it's funny. i'm like -- i keep going back and forth on my opinion on this, and i'm like, i guess everyone expects politicians and former politicians to have a solid opinion. on one hand, the 14th amendment covers him. our committee -- to one of the guys talking in the focus group, the former president was arrested for january 6th

. >>> plus, with the caucuses just 25 days from now, gary tuchman talks to iowans about what they all mamake of this. >>> a record number of migrants are being apprehended at the u.s./mexico border on a daily basis, with some officials warning the system is near a breaking point. the u.s. customs and border protection reports the seven-day average this month is more than 9,600 encounters with migrants. that's up from 6,800 at the end of november. also, there are more than 26,000 migrants in u.s. custody this week. that's nearly 10,000 over capacity. and lawmakers on capitol hill are still at a standstill on what to do about the crisis. cnn's rafael romo joins us now from the border crossing in eagle pass, texas. first off, what are you seeing on the border tonight, rafael? >> reporter: hi, pamela. we're at a migrant camp here in eagle pass. we're right next to the u.s. border with mexico. behind me, you can see a holding area of border patrol as, take immigrants, ones that surrender, to authorities so they can wait there before being processed. this is happening only hours after custo

here's gary tuchman. >> reporter: the fourth debate is over.ur fourth debate watch party with republicans in iowa isn't finished yet. in the first three debates the majority thought a different candidate won each time. this time, i'm going to ask in order who thinks christie won the debate. zero of the eight. who thinks desantis won the debate. 1 of the 8. who thinks haley won the debate. 6. who thinks vivek ramaswamy won the debate. zero. one person didn't vote. that's jim in the upper left. how come you didn't vote in. >> i think trump won. >> my guess you think trump won because he wasn't here. >> that's right. >> reporter: nikki haley had a decisive victory among this group. why do you think haley won. >> she's been the one with momentum. i expected her to take a lot of hits. the debate started with them coming after her, i think she handled it really well. she's strong in these debates, a consistent part of her momentum she's been a strong debater. >> i agree with brett that she had to dodge a lot of bullets tonight and she stood up to eac

we sent gary tuchman out to find out. >> reporter: this coffee shop goes by the simple name of coffee. and it is here where we have a simple question for customers. tell me your gut feeling, do you think it is a good thing that colorado supreme court did that or not? >> you know, i'm not the biggest fan of trump, but i don't think that people should be taken off the ballot necessarily. >> reporter: this man is a political independent in a very republican county. so here in the county seat of castle rock, it is easy to find loyal trump republicans who feel the same. what do you think of the supreme court decision? >> i think it is unfair. >> reporter: how come? >> government shouldn't get in that position to control votes for certain candidates. >> reporter: but we did find this democrat who says that is precisely what this court needed to do. >> i think it is a great decision. i think that when you try to overturn an election, you don't get to run again. we have a 14th amendment for a reason. >> reporter: back inside coffee, loyal trump supportive tony doesn't take the decision seriou

this our gary tuchman did the asking. >> this coffee shop, in douglas county goes by the simple lane of coffee. and it is here where we have a simple question for customers. do you think it's a good thing that the colorado supreme court did that? >> you know, i'm not the biggest fan of trump, but i don't think the people should be taken off the ballot, necessarily. >> this man is a political independent in a very republican county. so here in the county seat of castle rock, it's easy to find loyal trump republicans who feel the same as this man. >> what do you think of the supreme court decision? >> i think it's unfair. >> how come? >> the government should get in that position to control votes for certain candidates. >> but we did find this democrat who says that's precisely what this court needed to do. >> i think it's a great decision. i think that when you try to overturn an election you don't get to run again. we have a 14th amendment for a reason. >> back inside coffee, lori loyal trump supporter doesn't take the decision seriously. she thinks it's the supreme court taking trum

more now from our gary tuchman. >> gypsy rose blanchard, a little girl whose mother was known as a loving, caring single mother of a disabled child. >> it's amazing. we're moving to may berry. >> i remember my mom had gave me this little glass house. and she said, one day this will be real. and now it finally is. >> gypsy and her mother had just moved into a habitat for humanitarian home in missouri, after their house was devastated in 2005 by hurricane katrina. it appeared to be a feel-good story for this child, whose mother said she had brain damage, muscle dystrophy, but it was all a lie. gypsy was victimized by her mother's apparent munchausen syndrome by proxy. gypsy never went past second grade. >> it just proves that happy endings are not just in fairy tales. they're real and true in real life also. >> the elaborate scheme didi concocted did get her sympathy, like at this charity function. >> i always said, you're the reason i was born, to be a mom. >> versus gypsy blanchard. >> reporter: but then in 2015, gypsy and a long distance boyfriend were charged with murdering didi. gypsy

and there's a lot of good people that come. >> reporter: gary tuchman, cnn, ford dodge, iowa. >> we're learning more about the mass i bombs that israel has been dropping on gaza. one expert said this level of destruction has not been seen since vietnam. and the czech republic is honoring those who murdered in the worst peacetime mass shooting. i'm a little anxious, i'm a little excited. i'm gonna be emotional, she's gonna be emotional, but it's gonna be so worth it. i love that i can give back to one of our customers. i hope you enjoy these amazing gifts. oh my goodness. oh, you guys. i know you like wrestling, so we got you some vip tickets. you have made an impact. so have you. for you guys to be out here doing something like this, it restores a lot of faith in humanity. >>> welcome back to those of you joining me in the united states and around the world. i'm richard quest. this is the cnn "newsroom." despite pressure to scale back the offensive in gaza, the israeli military said it's preparing to expand operations against hamas. an idf spokesperson said the emphasis will shift to s

gary tuchman, quick on the draw, traveled to the state to find out. >> reporter: this coffee name in douglas, colorado, goes by the name coffee. it is here where we have a question for customers. tell me a good thing that the colorado supreme court did that or not? >> you know, i'm not the biggest fan of trump, but people should not be taken off of the ballot necessarily. >> reporter: this man is a political independent in a very republican county, so here in the county seat of castle rock, it is easy to find the loyal trump republicans who feel the same as this man. what do you think about this decision? >> i think it is unfair. >> reporter: howcome? >> the government shouldn't get in that position to control votes for certain candidates. >> reporter: but we did find this democrat who says that is precisely what this court should have done. >> i think it is a great decision. i think that when you are trying to overturn an election, you don't get to run again. we have a 14th amendment for a reason. >> reporter: back inside of the coffee, tony does not take this seriously and thinks i

our gary tuchman today spoke with members of that group. some are as old as the president. some are older. some are way older. and the question he asked, gary did, was about age. >> about 1,300 people live in -- city, new jersey, and the jersey shore. and most everyone knows the 91-year-old mayor. he says he feels as sharp and confident as he ever has. but -- >> do you think joe biden is mentally competent enough to serve another term? >> no. >> reporter: we spent time with the republican mayor and six other residents who range in ages from 67 to 102. all are republicans except this one democrat. but opinions do vary about joe biden. >> i see him on tv where he's talking and all of a sudden he just wanders off into something else or skips it. >> reporter: bill is 100 years old and agrees with his mayor. >> he's done an awful lot of things in public, made an awful lot of mistakes. and it's been in the news often. no, i don't think the man is capable of doing the job. >> reporter: but suzanne gilbert feels differently. she's the same age as the president. >> is he mentally cap

gary tuchman today spoke with members of that group. some are as old as the president. some are older. some are way older. the question he asked, gary, was about age. about 1300 people live in the dirt seashore. and most everyone knows francis haugen. >> i'm the mayor. >> the 91 year old mayor who just won reelection since he feels a sharp and competent as he ever has as so he's literally. but? do you think joe biden is mentally competent enough to serve another term? >> no. >> reporter: we spent time with the republican mayor and six other residents aged from 72 to 100. all republicans except one democrat. but opinion to very about joe biden. >> i've seen him on tv or he's talking, and all of a sudden he just wonders off into something else. >> reporter: bill willem is 100 years old and agrees with his mere. >> he's done an awful lot of things and public. made an awful lot of mistakes. has been in the news as often. i don't think the man is capable of to win the job. >> reporter: but suzanne gilbert feels differently. she's the same age as the president. >> is he mental

. >> gary tuchman, cnn, new york. >> joining us now is criminology professor and former fbi special agent. brianna, what do you make of the facts that gypsy rose blanchard was released early after pleading guilty to second degree murder in her mother's death? >> well, thanks for having me, john. that shows that she obviously was very willing to take responsibility for this and that is what parole board look for when they're taking these types of the terminations. she also wanted to say her abuse and trauma she experience, essentially the people knew why she do what she did. >> considering, the abuse she can -- experience, what do you make of the fact she was sentenced to ten years? >> well, it is extraordinary, especially considering that her boyfriend was sentenced to life in prison. it shows that the prosecutors really understood that the nature of her story, what she went through, and that essentially a jury would have given her at least a reduced sentence or something that's really would have been considerate with what she had gone through as a child. >> so, gary tuchman mentioned tha

gary tuchman, is in nevada, tubman? >> with 40 days left until the first of the nation, i am caucus is, we've come back to iowa for the fourth time in the last four and a half months, specifically the same place story county iowa, the reason we want to do that, we want to talk to loyal republicans after each and every debate to see if things have changed regarding the perceptions of the candidates or things have stayed the same. it is wonderful to be back with our friends from story county. good to see all of. you first leo on or talk to you about, the three other debates we were here, the first debate this group that ramaswamy to the base to, second debate desantis, debate haley. it looks like when a break the tie unless you pick christie today. so let me ask you, there's some laughter there, so maybe won't be christy. but to be honest with our viewers, i haven't asked these people yet who they thought won this debate. we are going to ask together for the first time. i'm an ask in alphabetical order, who thinks christi

knowing what voters in new hampshire matters, he has been for four debates, gary tuchman in iowa for gary. >> anderson, you're right. 40 days left until the first in the nation iowa caucuses. we have come back to iowa for the fourth time in the last three and a half months specifically the same place, storey county, iowa. we want to talk to loyal republicans after each and every debate to see if things have changed regarding the perceptions of the candidates or things have stayed the same. it is wonderful to be back with our friends from storey county. good to see all of you. first thing, the three other debates that were here, the first debate this group said ramaswamy sdid the best. the second desantis, third debate haley. looks like we are going to break the tie unless you pick christie. there is some laughter there. maybe not christie. i haven't asked them yet who they thought won this debate. we are going it find out together for the first time. so i'm going to ask, who thinks christie won the debate? zero of the eight. who thinks desantis won the debate? one of the eight. who t

our colleague gary tuchman has been in narveda, iowa, for all of the debates and talking to them about how they viewed the performances on stage, and this is instructive of course to what the next five and a half weeks of the campaign could be like. let's watch. >> well, clearly, lately, she has been the one with the momentum, and so, i expected her to take the hits, and they started coming after her, and she handled it well. she is strong in the policy and strong in debates, and that is part of the momentum she is a strong debater. >> judy? >> i agree with brett, she had to dodge a lot of bullet, and she stood up to each one of them. >> why do you think that desantis won? >> he has executive experience and a record of winning. that is going to be the most important thing in a primary and then in the general election. >> reporter: and what that clearly shows is fans for desantis, and fans for haley, but they are competing perhaps for a bigger point perhaps with the fans of donald trump, and that is the conundrum for them, is there space for all of them? and if donald trump has a big vi

i think it was a play for female voters, one of the things we saw with gary tuchman group, the voters who watched, they liked the way she held her own. as the person being attacked that was her opportunity to show i can take it, i'm tough enough and that toughness is what you want when you're trying to look presidential. chris christie wanted to make clear, this was a moment he could jump in and actually maybe pick up some votes from women. >> a moment of civility. >> decency. >> i agree. >> having been attacked by chris christie on television, i found that -- it was lovely moment but a calculation was there. >> look, no one on that stage is within a country mile of the guy who's winning the race and christie was the only one attacking him. 39 days. like, are they ever going to attack the guy who's destroying them every poll. >> governor christie said we're not talking about the one person we should be talking, we're moving the numbers around, 14 to 13, we're sharing market share on this side of the ledger but we're not taking any market share away from donald trump. the polls tomorro

gary tuchman has more. >> gypsy rose blanchard, her mother didi known as a loving parent of a profoundlyisabled child. >> we are moving. >> i remember my mom gave me this little glass house and said one day this will be real. now it finally is. >> reporter: gypsy and her mother moved into a habitat for humanity home in missouri after their house was devastated by hurricane katrine a it appeared to be a feel-good story for the child whose mother said she had brain damage, leukemia, muscular dystrophy, was not able to walk. it was all a lie. she had fabricated it all. gypsy was victimized by her mother's mÜnchhausen syndrome by proxy. >> it proves that happy endings are not just in fairy tales. they are real and true in real life also. >> reporter: the elaborate scheme got her sympathy, like at a charity function. >> you're the reason i was born, to be your mama. >> gypsy blanchard. >> reporter: in 2015 gypsy and a long distance boyfriend charged with murdering dee dee. they came up with a plan to cull her mother and he was accused of stabbing her to death in a missouri home. police report

gary tuchman has been spending time during these debates hanging out with iowa voters which kind of givesa bit of an interesting window into how this is being received. not by those of us here who work and breathe this all the time, but by the likely caucusgoers that will make some of the decisions here. take a look at a little bit of what gary learned from voters last night as this was unfolding. watch. >> who thinks christie won the debate? zero of the eight. who thinks desantis won the debate? one of the eight. who thinks haley won the debate? one, two, three, four, five, six. who thinks ramaswamy won the debate? zero. >> pretty telling there. not a single hand goes up when he asked if christie won the debate and many when asked about whether nikki haley did. that really does seem to me to be the dynamic right now in this race. and raises further questions about what chris christie does in the context of new hampshire. >> sure. and i guess my question would be he is at 11%. he is not at 2% or 3%. at the end my boss senator scott was. and so really if you are him, there is no real reaso