our next panelist, to his left is gary wright.the victim, he prefers to say survivor, of the unabomber's 12th bomb attack on february 20, 1987. he has since developed a friendship with the defendant's brother david kaczynski. to his left, judge robert stephen lapham is a california superior court judge. he was the assistant united states attorney for the eastern district, handling several high-profile cases between 1984 and 2013. he was a member of the prosecution team in the kaczynski case. finally, to his left, quin denvir is a sacramento attorney who served as the state public defender from 1977 to 1984, and at the time of the unabomber trial, he was the federal defender for this district and lead counsel on ted kaczynski's defense team. i would be remiss if i did not introduce one other individual who is present, but not on the panel, the judge who presided over the kaczynski proceedings judge garland burrell jr. now, to get off the discussion why don't you tell us how you got involved in the unabomber investigation and how th