. >> they were going to hire trey gatty, former congressman. but that fell apart over the weekend as well. thank you, guys, very much. for more on the legal implications of all of this for the president and for rudy giuliani, i'm joined by nbc legal analyst. she's also a former assistant u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york. also the same office rudy giuliani used to head. so this news that the scny is looking into what rudy giuliani was look overseas in ukraine, explain what they're doing. also, very weird since giuliani used to run the office. >> it is unusual. but, you know, more credit to them for doing that and in many ways, i think that they're looking at giuliani, who used to be former u.s. attorney. you know, and saying what are you doing? right? it makes it all the more sort of shocking and incredulous that he might have committed crimes like this. and that he's hiding behind this veil of being the president's lawyer. i mean, i almost wish we could stop calling him that because none of this stuff that he's doing with resp