. >> host: joining the conversation gautham nagesh. >> can you explain why it is possible to pay retransmission fees but your company should be able to connect to the internet and not provide compensation back. >> we don't sell the content. we lease technology to consumers. we don't retransmit, the consumer gets the signal and acquires it itself. that is the different between the broadcast band. aereo's case is a classic case of consumer antenna with a pickup device. it is just a technilogical difference and you have to move beyond characterization to look at the significant differences between the two. and as a matter of policy, cable companies don't make copyright payments. after the '76 act, it took a decade or later for congress to device retransmission must care carry. that was because cable companies were market-balanced laws and have nothing to do with copyright. your question suggests there should be a way to bring in copy right regimes. it is unprecedented. congress has never wanted to do that. there was a move to levy the tapes of vcr's. it is congress's content and constitutional sou

. >> host: joining our conversation from "the wall street journal," gautham nagesh. >> thanks for having me. mr. kanojia -- >> guest: chet, please. >> chet, can you explain why it's necessary for the cable companies to pay the broadcaster retransmission fees but your company should be able to connect their signal to the internet without providing any compensation back? >> guest: so, again, the question holds so many loaded characterizations that i have to object to the question itself. first and foremost, it was demonstrated we do not sell the content. we lease technology to consumers. number two, it was also factually demonstrated that we don't retransmit, the consumer tunes their antenna and acquires the signal themselves. vast differences between cable technology which captures the entire broadcast spectrum bland, amplifies it and pumps it on their wires. that is a classic retransmission. aereo's case, classic case of a consumer's antenna or any pick-up device remotely located. so that's just a technological difference that i think as you read the facts of the case, it becomes clear t

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joining us to discuss this is gautham nagesh. what did the fcc do? >> hi peter. the fcc voted to crack down on joint sales agreement. these are deals where there are two tvs asians in the same market. handling more than 15% of the ad sales or another station. you have a bigger station selling ads on behalf of a dollar station. when you say crackdown, what do you mean? >> these agreements have proliferated because there's been a wave of consolidation. this has led to some instances would be inmpany violation of the fcc limit of owning one station in every market. to get around those limits, they find an executive or an entrepreneur with whom they have some connection and a sign one of these agreements. thatding to the fcc, sidecar arrangement serves as a way for one company to control both stations. they are often sharing resources. the fcc believes that this is a violation. >> has there been a lot of consolidation in the local televisions asian market after dark >> exactly. a few days -- a few big companies have been buying up nations left and right. picture has

. >> joining us from the "wall street journal," gautham nagesh. mr. kanokia. 0-- kanojia. can you explain why it is rebroadcast pay th these, yet they are able to not provide any compensation back? >> the question holds so many loaded characterizations that i have to object to it myself. you can demonstrate, we do not sell content. we lease technology to consumers. number two, it was demonstrated we do not retransmit the consu mer. the vast differences between cable technology that capture the entire broadcast spectrum band and concert on wires irrespective of what a consumer asks for, that is retransmission. aneo is a classic case of antenna remotely located. that is the technological difference that as you read the it becomese case clear you have to move beyond characterization and look at the material issues underneath to understand the significant differences. third, as a matter of policy, cable companies do not make copyright payments for in-market transmissions. even after the act, it took a decade or later for congress to devise retransmission must carry. the purpos

chaitanya "chet" kanojia is the ceo and founder and gautham nagesh is with "the wall street journ journal" >> coming up, a look at u.s. slavery. we start with greg grandin and his book about an 1805 slave revolt at see. and then we will move on to in the next story in line. greg grandin, professor new york university history department recounts the story of an 1805 slave revolt off the board south africa. he talked at the new public library. [ applause ] thank y >> thank you. this is a wonderful institution and gave me an event to look at this great book. it is a great book. it was a thrill to be asked to do this with greg tonight. he comes at it as a historian and i am a reader of his book and a leader of melville and that is well-fitting we should be meeting into the new york library to talk about the greatest new yorker that ever lived. i don't think anybody stands in his wake. and to talk about the much larger story that he was expanding upon in it. and greg asked me to do the honors of talking for a minute at the outset about playing out the story which i am sure many of you are fami

. >> host: and gautham nagesh what is the timing for the unwinding of the sidecar? >> guest: they have two years. but they have waivers they can show that show they can not serve the public and smaller stations may get waivers approved. if the station is owned by a minority or shows it boosted diversity in the media they might be able to get a waver in that instance. that is available for armstrong williams who owns two stations that have joint sales agreements with sinclair. for other stations, they will have to unwind the agreements and the language of the commissioners indicate that most applications will be denied. they will do so in 90 days so we will have a good idea of what will happen in the next few months. >> what is the significance this was a partisan vote? two democrats in favor and two republicans against it. >> guest: i think that is reflective of the philosophy and the arguments that have been made by the broadcasters. it isn't necessarily a partisan issue per se but it has become one because the broadcasters have been aggressively lobbying against t

. >> host: and, gautham nagesh, what's the time frame on this for this, for the unwinding of these sidecar agreements? >> guest: sure. well, they have two years, however, they can seek these waivers, and especially if the waiver can show this is a station that would not be able to serve its public, especially local programming or news programming. then there is a chance for smaller stations that they could get waivers approved. if the station in the joint sales agreement is owned by a minority or has, can show that it has boosted diversity in the media, that's also another instance when they might be able to get a waiver. that's relevant for an entrepreneur known as armstrong williams who owns two stations which have joint sales agreements with sinclair. however, for other stations they're going to have to probably unwind these agreements if they can't secure waiver. the language of the commissioners indicates that most applications will be denied. today will do so within 90 days. the fcc has committed to acting on these requests within 90 days. so we're going to have a pretty good idea of

chet kanojia is the ceo and founder, gautham nagesh is with "the wall street journal." >> guest: thank you. >> thank you. >> c-span. created by america's cable companies 35 years ago and brought to you as a public service by your local cable or satellite provider. >> up next, the oral argument before the d.c. court of appeals earlier this year involving common causes challenge to senate filibuster rules that preceded last week's ruling on the case. after that, live coverage from the national press club as outgoing national transportation safety board chair deborah hersman gives a farewell address and talks about some of the issues she focused on during her tenure. >>> all this week you can see booktv in prime time with a focus tonight on slavery and emancipation. at 8:30 p.m. eastern, author greg grandin in "the empire of necessity." he's followed at 9:35 by sylviane diouf about the history of those who escaped slavery and created self-sufficient communities in the south. and at 10:30, pulitzer prize-winning historian david brian davis with his third installment on the history of slave