we have gauze. this is made of cotton. what class of fire is that? a. >> we have some fire. we have air. we have heat. we have a fire going. if i went in like that what did i just do? >> smoth erred it. simple; right . remember the hot water heater, we say don't store gasoline in your garage? so, gasoline gives out vapors, if we heat this up. not that you have to heat the gasoline. if you store gasoline near a hot water heater the vapors alone will catch fire. the vapors travel and caught. you don't have to actually light something like a candle, you don't actually have to touch something. we will add, more, make more effect, here. you got cherries jubilee. how do you put this out? [laughter]. put the lid? what if you don't have a lid? cookie sheet. >> very good. that's a good one. cover the thing, take it off the burner. take it off. do i immediately open it again? no. you already put it out leave it alone and whether or not it is the cheapest fire extinguisher you can buy? baking soda. have a couple boxes of baking soda, near the stove. cut the top off so it's ready to go.

it tracks how much hospitals charge for everything from gauze to medication to surgery. it also lists average estimates of how much an uninsured patient would pay for 25 different common procedures. using that data from california's office of health planning and development, we compiled a list of those prices for these procedures at 44 different medical centers in the bay area. we found wide variations in the prices or charges for common procedures as reported by the hospitals. everything from a chest x-ray, where the most expensive price is 19 and a half times higher than the cheapest price. to a level 4 emergency room visit where the most expensive hospital charges nearly $7,000 more than the least expensive. to a diagnostic colonoscopy, where the most expensive price is listed as $5,000 higher than the average of all the other hospitals reporting prices in the bay area. >> it does not mean that a high-priced hospital is providing better services. >> reporter: dr. renee shaw serves as an emergency room physician and a researcher at the university of california san fran

. >> guest: she put the stimulant on a piece of gauze with some sugar, stuck it in the baby's mouth, he started sucking, and he was revived by the whiskey. they operated on him and saved his life. the next person to come into the operating room was his mother, and she's screaming and crying, 'where's my baby? where's my baby?' and ruby went up to her and said, 'do you hear him? he's just fine.' c-span: who's this lady right here? >> guest: that's eleanor garron. she's from indiana. she was really the intellect in the group of nurses, very well read on foreign policy. eleanor tended to keep her intellect quiet and her thoughts -- she was the one who knew the japanese were going to come, but said nothing. and the interesting thing about eleanor is after surrender, she kept a diary, but not of her own thoughts and feelings; she copied poetry from the famous poets and from aristotle, various thoughts that captured what she felt. so it's a fascinating diary. c-span: is she alive? >> guest: no. eleanor died about three years ago. c-span: did you talk to her? >> guest: i did. a friend of mi

it tracks how much hospitals charge for everything from gauze to medication to surgery. it also lists average estimates of how much an uninsured patient would pay for 25 different common procedures. using that data from california's office of health planning and development we compiled a list of prices for these procedures at 44 different medical centers in the bay area. we found wide variations in the prices. coming up tonight we'll break down the prices at bay area hospitals and show you just how wildly different some of the prices for the same medical procedures can be. we'll show you the most expensive and the least expensive prices for some common procedures and we'll get advice from the experts about what you can do to become a better health care consumer. that's all tonight at 11:00 on nbc bay area new. >> thank you, steven. >> 5:19 now. coming up, if you work in mountain view you will likely have a hard time getting there. details on what the city council decided last night. >> plus why jaws could find himself on the endangered species list. >> now a live look fr

things like the $77 a box of gauze pads or a $1,200, you know, x-ray that medicare might pay $60 for.ri: you pay more. if yoo're not in medicare you pay more. it. gerri: if you have insurance your insurance company pays a lot more than medicare and the irony of ironies is if you don't have insurance ebay more than your insurance company and much more than medicare, so the people least able to pay of a once you charge a most. gerri: as a result the u.s. spends more on health care than the san countries combined. >> we spend more than everybody. we spend 50 percent more on the same prescription drug as any of those countries have to spend. it is because we sort of live in a fantasy that medical care can be the competitive open free-market when it is not. gerri: if you go out, buy a pair of shoes, walking into a shoe store and you can decide that there too expensive. better yet, you can get to another shoe store. gerri: that is at the time to figure out what the price tag is. you have no choice. this story almost to not get to print because it was commissioned by another magazine entirel

>> by the way, gauze pads, $77 -- >> and look at this. >> -- charged for four boxes of sterile gauzeor $77. and then you look at this pill cost $1.50. >> where's the justice department? >> well, i think there ought to be a congressional investigation. i think the justice department should look at these things. what the story does is it rips the veneer or a system that weapon don't understand. and the overcharging of patients, the overcharging of insurance companies, the insurance companies willing to pay these high charges, nobody's really looking at the bills. >> the affordable care act, the obama healthcare plan -- >> can i just sum up quickly? >> clarify. >> this is insane. >> we've been showing pictures while you guys have been talking. you can buy one of these pills. it costs huh $1.50 for one. when you're in the hospital. if you go to amazon.com, you can buy a hundred for less than that. for -- >> but nobody looks at the charge, when you're being charged for all of these things on your bill, the mark-up is gigantic. >> this is like the late 1970s when everybody started doing th

and many country is when israel starts were whether it is against lapan on or gauze or wherever, ec andmember of people go to fight with those -- with the israeli military. i think that makes a lot of austrians uncomfortable, rightly so in my view, and i think there needs to be a real question, not talk to us a much publicly in the jewish community, but certainly privately and in the wider press that why didn't the austrian government feel comfortable facilitating young jews to move to israel and potentially commit acts of regularly in certain cases terrorism or at least breaches of international law in that or 11 on word to buy -- >> isn't the australian intelligence investigating what was that's ben zygier came back to australia and changed his name and his passport several different times? >> possibly, yes. but one thing that is involved in the story is the austrian services knew what ben zygier was doing. what is unclear is exactly why the israelis arrested ben zygier and put him in high security. it was a because he was leaking information? was he about to break a story to the pres

it tracks how much hospitals charge for everything from gauze to medication to surgery. lists average estimates of what an uninsured patient would pay. using that data from the office of health planning and development, we compiled a list of those prices for these procedures at 44 different medical centers in the bay area. we found wide variations in the prices or charges for common procedures as reported by the hospitals. everything from a chest x-ray where the most expensive price is 19 1/2 times higher than the cheapest price. to a level four emergency room visit, where the most expensive hospital charges nearly $7,000 more than the least expensive. to a diagnostic colonoscopy where the most expensive price is listed as $5,000 higher than the average of all the other hospitals reporting prices in the bay area. >> it does not mean that a high-priced hospital is providing better services. >> reporter: dr. rene shaw serves as an emergency room physician and researcher at the university of california san francisco. >> i think some people might be surprised to know there i

it tracks how much hospitals charge for everything from gauze to medication to surgery.also lists average estimates of how much an uninsured patient would pay for 25 different common procedures. using that data from california's office of health planning and development, we compiled a list of those prices for these procedures at 44 different medical centers in the bay area. we found wide variations in those prices. and coming up tonight, we will break down those prices for you at bay area hospitals. and we will show you just how wildly the different prices are for the same medical procedure. we will show you the most expensive and the least expensive cost estimates for common procedures in this area, and we will give you some advice from the experts about what you can do to become a better health care consumer. that's all tonight at 11:00 on nbc bay area news. >> we look forward to seeing you then. if you have a tip for anyone in our investigative unit, give us a call. you see the information on your screen. 888-996-tips. or send us an e-mail to the unit. >>> we hope you

it tracks how much hospitals charge for everything from gauze to medication to surgery. it also lists average estimates of how much an uninsured patient would pay for 25 different common procedures. using that data from california's office of health planning and development, we compiled a list of those prices for these procedures at 44 different medical centers in the bay area. we found wide variations in the prices or charges for common procedures as reported by the hospitals. everything from a chess x-ray where the most expensive price is 19 1/2 times higher than the cheapest price. to a level 48 emergency room visit where the most expensive hospital charges nearly $7,000 more than the least expensive. to a diagnostic colonoscopy where the most expensive price is listed as $5,000 higher than the average of all the other hospitals reporting prices in the bay area. >> it does not mean that a high-priced hospital is providing better services. >> dr. renee shaw serves as an emergency room physician and a researcher at the university of california san francisco. >> i think

chuckle because the implication there is that if they charge, as i found, $77 for a box of, you know, gauze pads, the reason they're doing that is because of all the other care in the hospital that you're getting. room and the board, the nurses and everything. but they charge for that too. there was one hospital that was charging $1.50, as you know from the cover of the magazine, for a tylenol. and yet they were charging $1791 for the room. now you would think if you're paying $1791 for the room, they would, you know, decide to throw in the tylenol. >> woodruff: well, the hospital association and those who are defending their point of view do say that what you're paying for is just essentially to keep the hospital running. that's what patients are being charged for. but you point out... >> well (laughing) you know, yeah, it's keeping the hospital running plus an extra 11.5-12% in pure profit that goes to the nondoctor addsters at the hospital who are making a million, two million, three million, four million, six million dollars a year in salaries. >> woodruff: you also write, steven brill,

. $77 charged for each of the sterile gauze pasds.hese are just a couple of examples that are part of the larger issue of health care. we are focusing on medicaid and state expansion but all that plays into this. host: i understand. let us that i am a compassionate man. my son had to have a procedure that lasted two hours. the doctor was paid -- you get an itemized bill. the doctor was paid $4,200. the toll charge was $72,000. fortunately it was picked up by my insurance, and i am afraid to retire because i will not be able to afford to retire. host: thank you for sharing your thoughts. we will go to john in just a moment. here is another headline -- the philadelphia inquirer is looking at the next pope. the conclave gets under way early next month. from "the boston sunday globe," there is the story looking at gun violence. a local couple reflects on the loss and power of faith. and this from "the miami herald," a look at the election problems in the state of florida. john is joining us from wisconsin on the democrats' line. good morn

. >>> and we're finally learning why the united states military didn't come to the rescue in gauze gl benghazi, libya. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." we begin with a desperate manhunt in southern california under way right now. police have linked a fired officer to a series of what they call atrocious crimes. christopher jordan dorner is suspected of killing three people and wounding two others. he's still at large and police say he has access to multiple weapons and assault rifles. cnn's kyung lah is joining us from los angeles where the police chief is calling it extremely worry some and scare ree. what's the latest kyung? >> reporter: certainly scary for anyone connected to the police department in southern california. this is where today's shooting spree began but all of this, wolf, began earlier this week. the murder spree began on sunday with the double killing of a newly engaged couple, monica quan and keith lawrence, quan, the daughter of a retired lapd captain, the officer who represented christopher dorner in front of the police board that eventually fired