gavin hawkins. there is so much information through the media around the middle east in the last decade or so that i have been conscious of politics but it seems there is so much information that people form an opinion before they form any like real historical understanding or context around an issue, average individuals that is. so if you were to explain the middle east and iran to like a child or someone who didn't really have an opinion on the subject, how would you give the most basic understanding to someone who really didn't understand any of the topics at all? >> how would you describe brain surgery to a four-year-old, five-year-old. it is very difficult. it is a complicated question actually, i'm joking but i think it's a complicated question and four-year-old children and people who think as simple as children should not be in charge of making policy for the middle east. we need more sophistication and understanding of the complicated history and complication of different people involved an