john: thank you, gavin schmidt. i appreciate you coming and i would love to have you come in.'s bring in roy spencer to reply. or staif you would like. >> i'm not interested, but thank you very much. john: dr. spencer, can you -- so at do you say to what he says? >> i agree with some of what he says. i speak out because i believe forcing unrealistic, expensive energy solutions upon the poor is going to kill people. we know that it kills. i would rather save people from poverty than theoretically save people in the future. john: you have said carbon monoxide can make the planet greener? speaker that is pretty much understood. there are hundreds of papers that says increasing co2 is good for basically all the plants they sdied, even crops like corn. my long-term prediction is eventually we will realize more co2 in the atmosphere is actually a good thing and considering the fact it is necessary for life on earth to have co2 in the atmosphere, it is amazing how little there is in the atmosphere. john: the perception among my friends here in new york if you are this weird outliner,

john: thank you, gavin schmidt. i appreciate you coming and i would love to have you come in. let's bring in roy spencer to reply. or stay if you would like. >> i'm not interested, but thank you very much. john: dr. spencer, can you -- so what do you say to what he says? >> i agree with some of what he says. i speak out because i believe forcing unrealistic, expensive energy solutions upon the poor is going to kill people. we know that it kills. i would rather save people from poverty than theoretically save people in the future. john: you have said carbon monoxide can make the planet greener? speaker that is pretty much understood. the are hundreds of papers that says increasing co2 is good for basically all the plants they studied, even crops like corn. my long-term prediction is eventually we will realize more co2 in the atmosphere is actually a good thing and considering the fact it is necessary for life on earth to have co2 in the atmosphere, it is amazing how little there is in the atmosphere. john: the perception among my friends here in new york if you are th weird out