>> that he would kill gavin smith. >> the affair ended. ful thing, isn't it? early in 2012, john and chandy were separated, but still living together. and gavin and lisa were separated, to. that old magnetic force... gavin met chandy on that secluded road. >> and the two of you became romantic? >> yes. >> did that include kissing? >> yes. >> and while you were kissing gavin, did something happen that caught your attention? >> yeah. >> what happened? >> something just popped up. appeared. >> was that something the defendant, john creech? >> yes. yes. >> gavin didn't have a chance, she said. >> he repeatedly punched him in the face. >> then she ran back to her car, terrified. >> i wanted to get away. i was scared. >> but before she drove away, she looked back. john had gavin pinned down. >> later, she said, creech wanted her to drive him back to the crime scene to help take out into the hospital. a block away, she refused to get closer and dropped creech off. >> why did you take it back to the scene? >> i was afraid of what i would see. >> ga

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joining us to unpack that is former trump administration official gavin smith and paul begala.ing the truth socials, just sort of feels like, you know, i don't want to read the tweets any more. help us unpack what's going on between trump and ron desantis. it does indicate he's worried about the governor from florida. there's no other way around it, right? >> yeah. it sounds like it. i heard your comment about president carter. one of my old friends in georgia always used to say a hit dog will holler, meaning mr. trump is barking because he's hit. he's worried and scared of governor desantis. i think trump is the betting favorite, but it's not my favorite. but he's scared and that's why he's doing it. >> gavin, what do you think about trump is going to be going to east palestine, ohio. i can't imagine it would be the last thing in that folks need is the trump circus rolling into town, and you worked in that campaign, worked in that administration, so you know what that is all about. what do you make of all that? >> i think you said it best. at the end of the day, donald trump i

state representative bakari sellers, a democrat, and former staffer for then governor nikki haley, gavin smith here. bakari, i want to start with one of the key moments from haley's speech. take a listen. >> every day we're told america is flawed, rotten, and full of hate. joe and kamala even say america is racist. nothing could be further from the truth. and take it from me, the first minority female governor in history, america is not a racist country. >> now, this is a factual matter. i've looked and i cannot find any quotes of president biden or vice president harris saying america is racist. in fact, they have said the opposite. but beyond that factual issue, what do you make of her pitch there? >> i mean, i think she's wading into the cultural wars that define this republican party headfirst. one of the things that nikki haley is going to present to the country is something we know in south carolina, that she's very shrewd and cunning, and she's a really, really good politician. but with that, though, you'll see the inconsistencies, with that, though, you'll see these statements and many