. >> the problem that labour's got, and i think gawain is right up to a point, you know, government isder than being in opposition. and i think that they have made a terrible mistake. they've made some awful missteps over the last 100 days. not least of all on winter fuel, which came completely out of the blue. and then, you know, even though today it's been announced that the annual, the yearly pension will go up by £400, which is more than the cost of the lost fuel allowance. if you like. but that only gets a little bit of coverage. but they've made a terrible mistake by having such a long gap between the election and the budget . and if you look back budget. and if you look back over previous governments, it's never been longer than eight weeks. eight weeks was the longest, with george osborne so ready . so consequently. well, ready. so consequently. well, but to be fair , i mean, they but to be fair, i mean, they have discovered that things were worse than they thought. the which came completely out of the blue. and then, you know, even though today it's been announced that the ann

but until that time, gawain, what do you think will happen today?re a scenario where there might be that horse trading to make sure jenrick makes the final two, so he won't get the membership ? the he won't get the membership? the members favourite seems to be kemi badenoch will james cleverly try and stop that? >> i think that's entirely possible. i mean, as you were saying, the horse trading they are maybe duplicitous, but i think the word they prefer to use is. it's gone well, but think the word they prefer to use is. it's gone well , but the use is. it's gone well, but the they like to see themselves the most sophisticated electorates in the world. but the. i can't believe a single one of the 20 that voted for tom tugendhat is voting for kemi badenoch out of choice. yeah, out of a bent arm , choice. yeah, out of a bent arm, perhaps, but certainly not. >> two different way, two different. >> and so they would naturally swing almost entirely to cleverly, which allows cleverly's campaign managers and team to have a bit of leeway of how they want to