atul gawande. welcome to both of you, and tom bossert, i want to start with you. you and i have talked regularly over the past two months about the lessons this country is learning from this experience, and you say the big one is that staying home has worked. that's why we're able to slowly reopen, and yet there are many who believe that the country overreacted and i think you have seen a lot of them on the beaches. what would you say to them? >> good morning, martha. i'd say that my now biggest worry becomes that that conclusion is negative learning. the idea of believing that the shelter in place approach didn't work prevents us from again using it, and the plan from the beginning was never to enter into a nationwide lockdown, a blanket lockdown. we had to do that because we waited so long, and because we didn't have the testing. it was so late, but the idea now of getting out of that shelter in place, you know, restriction isn't to get out of it forever. it's to relax a little bit. dr. gawande's pillars are very important, and we'll come to them in a moment, bu

gawande, it is so good too have you with us again. you are reminding people that even as we moof a ahead it is important to keep the basics in mind. so tell us again what are the basics? >> well, i think the basics come from the fact that there have brn a group of workers who have been going to work right through this epidemic and those are health care workers. and we have managed in the united states to manage so we can go to work and not spread the virus. and there are four components to what i have called a combination therapy. the components are ones you all know. but each of them are flawed. but when you put them together it stops the virus and we are demonstrate thrag in health care. so what are they. number one is hygiene. number two is distancing. number three is screening. screenk people for even very mild symptoms so they stay home rather than go into work. and four are masks. and the main value of the masks is that we can spread the disease. we now know, before we have developed symptoms. and the best way to keep from infec

doctor, author and "new yorker" staff writer, atul gawande, gives us his prescriptions, ones that haveeen tested and work. >>> finally the french have come a long way from the long-favored line "let them eat cake." so what are they encouraging now? stay tuned and find out. >>> but first, here's my take. if anyone thought a global pandemic that has so far killed more than 85,000 americans who would override the country's partisan divide, think again. it turns out that democrats are significantly more likely than republicans to believe that the pandemic is serious and follow cdc guidelines. preliminary studies using cell phone data show people in more republican areas of the country have been moving around more than in democratic areas. this has led many to wonder why partisanship has become so strong in the u.s. that people will not listen to experts even at the risk of their own health. but there's a broader distrust that we need to understand. i recognized it while reading a book that's not about covid-19 at all but shed strong light on the situation, explaining why so many people acr

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gawande and other doctors on the show said for weeks this is an unprecedented timeline we're puttinge something byimaginabl unimaginable. they will move carefully, we trust. senator schumer, i want to ask about the state of new york, your state, our state where we live. obviously hardest hit in all of the country, particular nursing homes where 5,500 people have died in long-term care facilities. on march 25th governor cuomo and the new york health department issued and order that said you have to take from hospitals back into these nursing homes patients even if they have covid. was that a mistake governor cuomo reversed that decision sunday and said, no. stay in the hospital. we won't send you back into the nursing home. was that order a mistake? >> look, i think the governor and the mayor, frankly, have handled things very well. we've been the epicenter of the crisis with so much going on. and the -- the issues of hospitals and nursing homes was very hard to manage. i think they managed it well. nursing homes are not a unique problem in new york, and in most other states. they hav