john: the one that gawls me is -- galls me is spending cuts. >> yeah. something used by members of both parties when their talking about the rates of increases in spending. not actual cuts as you or i would know them. john: so we're spending 10 billion this year and next year we're going to spend 11 billion, but we wanted to spend 12 billion so we're going to call that a billion dollar cut. >> right. most people have better things to do with their lives, families to raise, jobs, etc. and they're not paying close attention to the intry cat says. -- intricacies. revenue is another term for tax hikes. this is something that's been pole tested by consultants of both parties. usually it's democrats who are pushing it. sometimes republicans, though whether it's the gas tax or other areas. john: people like revenues they don't like tax hikes. government officials use enhanced interrogation for torture. >> this was something that was vetted by government lawyers where they could not come out and say openly torture or another word such as this. this is something