the gay movement is not monolithic, and in fact, mainstream gay organizations did not support this. most gay people believe in tolerance and believe in educating people. what happened here was a small group of freelancers started to make a statement about this. that's what drove this. i think most ordinary gay people want to live and let live and go with the values of persuasion rather than punishment. >> kerry, what about that, perhaps the better move was to leave brendan ike be, especially since he was working with a company that was pretty much of equality in its actions as a company and it's policies as a company. >> yes, many companies are on the side of equality. corporate america was far ahead of the federal government on starting to enact pro lgbt policies, healthcare policies that were inclusive somewhere on the order of 90% of fortune 500 companies now have non-discrimination policies that protect people in sexual orientation. i want to say a word. i'm not a very good activist. i'm a juniorist by nature. i like to push things around, explore them, talk to a few people. i d

and routinely connects gay men to pedophilia. for all of these reasons, as supervisor wiener mentioned, russia is the -- has been rated the least protected european country for lgbt citizens. in terms of other efforts to either cease investing in russian companies or to divest in russian securities, this is the resolution that supervisor wiener already mentioned, senate resolution 18. so, i won't talk about that again. nclr and equality california have also urged calpers, which is the nation's largest public pension fund, to divest in two specific russian companies that directly support the russian internet company that allows lgbt hate groups to post their videos. we're also aware of an assembly person in new york who has made a similar request for divestment in russian securities, but he did so through a letter to the com controller's office. san francisco has an opportunity here to take a leadership role just as it has in many times in the past, including when it passed the first equal benefits ordinance in the country. this c

how you can-- how you cannot, how you can-- you're gay married. >> i am very gay married. >> that guy didn't want you to be able to be gay married and you still think people without support gay marriage should still do business with him. >> not if they don't want to. but i think when people are forced to resign, when people start losing their jobs, when people in the workplace especially are under threat, will feel threatened, the things they do completely outside the workplace, their political views, in california if you actually fired someone for political view you disapproved of, it would be against the law. in other words, you don't want to bring this kind of political warfare into the workplace. you've got to be able to get along with people who sincerely, passionately you disagree with. >> no, we don't, no, no (cheers and applause) >> no! look, look what you've done. look what you've done. you've done something worse than make my audience gay, you've made them reasonable. okay. but listen, i live my life by a policy, someone disagreed with me, i put my head on a spike and i say

to me, they didn't care as a gay man that we had a great success. to me, that shows they didn't care and i don't think of that as being a good liberal thing. >> do you consider the -- ike a great success of scalping this man and ruining his business life, his career and his reputation because of a position he held that as we all know -- >> i think that as we all -- >> as president of the united states -- >> excuse me, the president of the united states was not for repealing gay marriages and -- >> he was for marriage being between a man and a woman. >> stop, stop, stop, you are not -- please let me answer the question. >> john, let amy speak and i'll come back to you. >> a, the president spoke out against prop 8 in 2008, and b, liberals with myself taking the lead ripped the man to shreds on this position. it was my blog that got the president to admit that he would evolve on gay marriage. >> john, you've made your point. let me ask you another question and i'll let you respond. >> we did not let him get away. >> i was old enough to remember when ga

but if you believe gay marriage is not a civil rights issue on par with something like interracial gaymarriage it looks like a witch hunt. you can believe that even if you are pro gay marriage or as you said, if you are in general pro gay rights, but understand -- but believe that people can have differences of opinions as far as gay marriage. you have two people viewing the issue entirely differently and they can't talk to each other. >> they can't really believe that, though. all tens of millions of christians are outside the pale automatically. they are not even worthy of discussion and should have no discussion. >> we are talking about a specific vote in california in 2008 in which the majority of californians voted to ban gay marriage. 70% of black voters voted against gay marriage. >> they have no rights, voice, nothing. >> even if he had really unattractive or unfashionable views, unless are you actively trying to hurt somebody, you ought to be left alone with your views or given the opportunity to explain. this guy was never afforded the opportunity as far as i know. >> and the

>> of gay parents?> of their parents. >> like any parent, who's living in sin, if we repent, franklin graham, i'm a sinner, i'm been forgiven, i have turned from my sins. anyone willing to repent, you'll be forgiven. >> hot of gay people feel they're sinners but not because they're gay. >> thank you, cokie, thanks to everyone and happy easter to everyone. >> happy easter to you. >> that discussion taped earlier this week so our guests could celebrate easter. >>> but back here live, in just two minutes, instant reaction to that conversation from that powerhouse roundtable. >>> later, george stephanopoulos's revealing interview with former supreme court justice john paul stevens. you need a permit... to be this awesome. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. and only national is ranked highest in car rental customer satisfaction by j.d. power. (aaron) purrrfect. (vo) meee-ow, business pro. meee-ow. go national. go like a pro. ♪ [ girl ] my mom,

and tammy bruce said, i'm a gay woman appalled you caved to the gay gestapo. they argue in a piece that may or may not be tongue in cheek that all 35,000 people who contributed to california's proposition 8 should be, quote, purged. he adds, let's go get them. brett. >> more on this with the panel. thank you. >>> what do you think about this story? let me know at facebook.com/bretbaiersr, or on twitter. >> a federal judge says he will order ohio to recognize out of state gay marriages. but the upcoming ruling by judge timothy black will not force ohio to perform same-sex marriages. the state said it will appeal the judge's order. >>> now, a look at the march jobs numbers. the ones getting most attention, the labor department says the economy gained 192,000 jobs last month, a smaller increase than in february. unemployment rate was unchanged at 6.7%. there are, however, other much more alarming numbers. chief white house correspondent ed henry tells us what they are and what they mean. >> more troubling signs from president obama as he tries to keep control of

rights activist for over 20 years where you talk about gay people. the fact that over 80% of the people in this country say they know someone who is lesbian, gay or bisexual and you've got increasingly people who say they know someone who is transgender that's when it changes, when it's your neighbor, family member, someone you work with, whatever. >> i want to use this as a segue to the brandon ike story, what you see here are changing social norms. i mean, it is legal, in south carolina, to fire someone because they're gay. increasingly, that is not viewed as socially acceptable. right? rightly so. everyone at the table agrees. that is wrong. it is also now there's also social norms about whether it is socially acceptable to have the belief that gay folks can't get married or to oppose guy equality. this came to head in the tale of ike who was the choeth of mowzilla which makes a popular web brucer. people found out he had given a contribution to the wrong side and there was a campaign that basically got rid of him. basically saying this is an unac

the position was not just against gay merge but to repeal 18,000 gay marriages that existed in california. it was legal in the state and when you start talking about repealing gay people's marriages that is different than saying, i may not agree about the issue. >> but it passed. it passed. >> the media reports did not include that his position was identical to the three leading candidates in the democratic party from president of the united states in 2008. >> you can talk about this but this was about gay marriage and we know that president obama said that he believed at the time that marriage was a sacrament between a man and a woman and that was based on his religious principle. and hillary clinton did, too, and senator obama and senator clinton did get the endorsement of the human rights campaign despite their position on the gay marriage issue. >> the entire debate of brandon is about something he did, contribute money in 2008, and yet -- look, president obama and hillary clinton came clean. they are not sticking with their positions in 2008. brandon is. >> we --. >> wait. wait, the

that's not gay. >> that's gay by proxy. you know somebody is gay and making their dog gay. it is gay canine by proxy. >> secondhand gay. >> there you go. liz, he said he would withdraw from society for good and stick to acting and possibly move to california. now he is back. >> didn't he threaten this when george w wasn't? >> he was getting off social network. now he is back providing toeder for the show which is -- providing fodder to this show. >> looking at this whole fight, first of all i was watching a -- an episode of "miami housewives." i can just imagine him in his rock of ages t-shirt saying i can't believe he said that and typing away. then he comes out and says you know what, i am not a homophobe, but he deletes -- if he is not a homophobe, then why was he deleting his tweets, right? >> he was pulling out. i don't know. it is thursday. joe, you often tweet things you shouldn't when you are drunk, ie, any night. any advice for alec whatever his name is? there are 70 of them. >> when i am drunk, i don't know. you have to commit to it. you commit. if you are nervous

young gay men, this is like interesting, it's history. it's like the movie milk, right? it's history. with gay men of my generation, they lived it. they want to read it, they're interested in it. but if between there's a big -- in between there's a big gap. gay men in their 30s and 40ss, a lot of them have distanced themselves from the epidemic. that's not me, that's not my life. and creating lives that don't intersect with the epidemic in n any way. and i'm not saying that in a blame sort of way with. i mean, it's understandable in all sorts of ways, i -- but i think we need to recognize that because that's one of bobss in dealing with the prevention challenges we have today. yeah. >> i think it's great that, you know, dallas buyers club is out, and, you know, for those of us that are long-term survivors, it's hard to sit through, but it is an important history. and i'm glad that, you know, mainstream america is seeing it. and i'm really glad matthew mcconaughey's getting all the awards and jared leto. you know, the flip side is hbo just

to add to that background to what you obviously all are knowledgeable this particular anti-gay crack down in russia right now, i think it's important to under a teeny bit the context for that, which is that president putin, after his second reelection, experienced for the first time opposition, and this has been part of an overall crack down to keep opposition at bay. and in particular, to take all the freedoms away from civil society actors. the most important law that has impacted lgbt people in russia is actually the foreign agents law which is in the process of taking down any civil -- any no. nongovernmental organization that receives funding from outside of russia. just yesterday in st. peter'sberg, the longest standing human rights mainstream organization, the moriales was to shut its doors. every lgbt organization in russia with a few exceptions are in the process of having to account for their funding that primarily comes from europe and the west, and is being confronted -- full agency means you are being called a spy, a foreign spy. so, the nclrs of russia are really being

maybe not as bad as this gay.y had to chase this delivery van, rolled down a hill after he got out of truck to deliver a package. picked up speed barely missing a tree and a house. it ended up hitting a fence and we are showing this video because nobody was hurt. >> poor guy. >> all right. let's check when n. with rick reichmuth who is outside. get some of those spring like temperatures today. >> a little bit. parts of some areas are areas of the northeast not that bad today. going to be windy though. tomorrow looking like a better day. take a look at the weather maps. severe weather tomorrow across parts of the south. the cold front that moved through yesterday is going to stall out across areas of south and turn into a bit of a warm front and bring severe weather into sunday into monday potentially across areas of north florida and across the coast line of the southeast. get ready for that it's also going to bring a lot of rain eventually. take a look at your first alert forecast for your day today. put this int

is a negative campaign against a negative campaign against gay rights and gay marriage. >> t deb highlightednew wouldire were, i guess, i call them outsiders, nonestablishment candidates rand paul and ted cruz. -- t dub highlighted in new highlighted. who are the most formidable? will have thecruz edge over paul partially because he brings less baggage that will be problematic for a lot of conservatives on foreign policy, the kooky or associations of ram paul's father -- rand paul's father. he has a real organization thanked his father but i think i would vote on cruz. >> there stronger than once we've had in the past. >> if either is nominated, the republican party will have a meltdown in 2016. neither one will be broadly appealing to the electorate. rand paul is the more likable of the teat of. -- likable of the two. way aboutt elfish, him. >> you think rand paul is more formidable? >> i think you are the most formidable of all. thank you for joining us. we will see him again next week. >> "political capital" is a production of bloomberg television. ♪ >> tonight on "titans at the table" --

>> i'm gay. i'm gay. >> okay. not me, honey, i am fem. >> you have your masculines are more manley, straight acting, straight looking. >> what's really going on? >> then you have your fems that are, you know, some of them take hormones so they act like girls. >> they live their life as women in the word. transsexuals, drag queens. they're walking around with bras, thongs, things in their hair, being dramatic, loud. 80% of the fights are the fems. shut the [ bleep ], [ bleep ], [ bleep ]. that's [ bleep ]. that's [ bleep ]. >> though eloy orosco are housed with the masculines he was classified as a feminine at an earlier stay at bexar county. >> this time around i butched up, and said i was masculine. they put me in the masculine group. i don't want to beep with drama queens and girls. i'm trying to be with the mass cue len group, with the boys. >> starting at age 16, orosco has been in and out of the bexar county jail. he was recently convicted for burglary and is back now after violating parole. orosco believes h

." >>> there's an openly gay candidate running for congress in california. not surprisingly, carl demaio has been the target of homophobic attacks. what is surprising is where they are coming from? the left. he may not be typical gop candidate but he doesn't think his sexuality is what sets him apart. >> i think the most unique part of my candidacy is that not that i'm gay but i'm running on a record of getting substantial reform done. >> i heard about the attacks against him from the left and it reminded me in 2002 when congresswoman couldn't connie morello was running. and to me, when i found out that the lesbian by sexual gay trans sexual groups were working to sabotage his campaign, i felt like i had to write something. >> and you write it in this piece, and it's a terrific piece and what you are referencing it how the left took out a group that basically pose as someone who is supporting him to raise money and they were fined for it which is the dirt i didn'test in politics. some on the left believe they have a monday nop pli on women and minorities and

people as gay marriages are popping up with greater frequency. your work has been that the first amendment is good for gay people, but a regime that allows hate speech is good for minorities in general. do these recent cases cause you to re-examine that thesis? >> no, they don't. i'm not the best person to comment on the legalities of these cases. i don't know the case law. but let me give you a personal perspective on how i think about these cases. there are a bunch of these cases. they all involve in one way or another the class of religious conscience with antidiscrimination law, which often means homosexuality, gay marriage, in the case of the obamacare law, it means contraception. and there are a lot of these. there was a case in colorado that is not a legal case because the suit has not been filed, but a christian dog walking company fired a customer because they agreed with legalized marijuana. they said, get your docs and get them out of here. we are not going to walk them anymore. i regret this. this is not the kind of society that i wan

gay and lesbian citizens far beyond what was the case in proposition 8. yet at the same time it is the home of thomas jefferson and patrick henry and so many people who have contributed so much to the principles of equality that we're all fighting for. so i think the symbolism of trying to go to the home state of jefferson and patrick henry and many, many others that were our founders and to try to implement the principles and to try to implement the principles that they articulated so eloquently more than 200 years ago in then face of this constitutional ban in the current virginia state constitution is not only important to the state and the south is an important region of the country but in addition the symbolism was something i think we are all drawn to. >> i just want to add one more thing. very seldom can i add anything to a david says that we are arguing this in richmond, virginia which is the home the commonwealth of virginia the home of the author of the declaration of independence. james madison's home the principle author and i think most peopl

nongay people have had a chance to hear not only from gay people, not only about gay people.om other nongay people in their lives who have talked about shared values that. we all share, the kind of value that senator simpson talked about. the couple talked about. love, commitment, family, self-sacrifice being part of the whole. people come to understand gay people want to be part of it too. >> mark, you mentioned the conference, the civil rights summit going on in texas today. let's listen and what david boyse said today there. >> this is a case in which the other side has a bumper sticker, marriage is between a man and a woman. that's the question. not the answer. this is not an issue of liberal, conservative, activist, nonactivist, republicans, democrats, a civil rights constitutionaler to. >> mark, that bumper sticker isn't fighting a strong fight against momentum here and in the polls. >> no, lawrence. what is happening on the republican side. they're not going out and marching in the streets in favor of gay marriage. the real shift is they're not campaigning against it.

on a stamp. >> stephen: a gay man on a stamp? anger! and they used such an unflattering picture. jimmy, can you fix that? that's much better. that's a good looking guy! (cheers and applause) folks, appearing on a u.s. postage stamp is a prestigious honor traditionally reserved for our greatest presidents and regional songbirds. and they didn't pick just any gay politician, like rutherford b. hayes. oh, methinks he doth beard too much. no, they went with san francisco's harvey milk. suddenly, if i want to mail something, i have to lick this guy's backside? no! no! worse, if it's self-adhesive, now i'm licking his front?! 'cuz make no mistake, if it's mail, i'm lickin' something! i'll say it again -- anger! oh, hi! i was just about to make myself one of my world famous britos. i start with a hand-pressed flour torilla, and then i fill it with a microwave burrito. this tortilla was made by mission foods whose tortilla factory is located in the 76th installment of my 434-part series... better know a district! tonight: california's 29

>> today the scouts do allow gay members in their ranks, but they do not allow gay scout leaders.t's caused friction with many of the churches who sponsor the troops. recently when a seattle-area church vowed to keep its troop leader, who's a gay man, the boy scouts said the church could no longer be a charter partner. the church's pastor say the move was expected and they would still offer a youth program to the 15 or so boys in the troop. >>> now to the latest on that ferry disaster in south korea. today, police arrested four more crew members, and the grim, desperate search continues for the 115 still missing and presumed dead. nearly all of them are high school students. nbc chief global correspondent bill neely is in jindo, south korea. bill, families seem to be growing more anxious by the hour. >> reporter: good afternoon, craig. real frustration here for the families of more than 100 missing students. searching here has been suspended all day. and with a storm approaching, it may stay suspended for some time. the police boats are returning empty. no bodies have been brought

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that's what we hear all the time from gay athletes. when they come out the team handles it differently. i think they will be more twight knit. >> in your article derrick gordon find his freedom. he met other gay athletes that prosecutored to give him hope and confidence. how did that affect him? >> it made him very dird of living in the -- tired of living in the closet, seeing people with partners going to gay bars, socialising, having dipper with other gay people and not looking over your shoulder. it made him tired. a couple of weeks ago he was in philadelphia spending time with anthony and brian sims. he caught me driving up to his family house. he said "i'll do this right now. i'm tired of not living life the way i see others living life", he told his family and the coach and his team. >> how much was derrick gordon's announcement with michael sam and jason collins help other players come out. >> it's huge. we heard from three other athletes from others who want to tell their stories. >> at the end of 2014 we will look back saying

i think it is a negative to campaign against gay rights and gay marriage. >> two people who were reallylighted in new hampshire were, i guess, i would call them outsiders, nonestablishment candidates rand paul and ted cruz. as you look at the possible 2016 field, who are the most formidable? >> i may be biased, but i do think cruz will have the edge over paul partially because he brings less baggage that will be problematic for a lot of conservatives on foreign policy, the kookier associations of rrand paul's father. paul has a real organization thanks his father but i think i would vote on cruz. >> they are stronger than once we've had in the past. >> if either is nominated, the republican party will have a meltdown in 2016. neither one will be broadly appealing to the electorate. rand paul is the more likable of the two. he has that elfish, playful way about him. but he has crackpot ideas >> you think rand paul is more formidable? >> yes. >> i think you are the most formidable of all. thank you all for joining us. we will see you again next week. >> "political capital" is a production