for example, laurent gbagbo, the former president of ivory coast, who is one of the cases before you,esidents and so on, to say, look, drop the case against laurent gbagbo because, if found guilty, the country could reignite and civil war could return to ivory coast. basically, there's an argument there which is saying, please, don't necessarily putjustice above everything else. peace and stability is important. i believe we are very sensitive to that, and we have demonstrated it time and time again, to show that it's this debate of peace and justice. let's sequence justice. let's do peace and then we dojustice. i think we should bring back ourselves to a position where we know that peace and justice are not mutually exclusive. they can actually work together. this has been tested. i tell you what thabo mbeki, former president of south africa, says about the gbagbo case and 0mar al—bashir and so on, "the challenge that arises is when someone says "that the issue of justice trumps the issue of peace. "while not dismissing the need to tackle impunity, "temporary immunity should be grant