and that same information went out from the head of the gchq in britain to 2007 to the top 300 ceos in britain. so in my opinion, it is the first chapter is already over. all the crown jewels have already been taken. just a matter of whether it is a chip design or air frame design. jet engine design or pharmacy recipe, whatever it is, that's gone. and we're now at the stage, i think, where we ask ourselves, if you are a microsoft person, a systems analyst, you would say, with a very cold mind, can this thing run forever? and i think the answer is no, it can't. with the level of effort we're looking at, and i truly think it is properly called -- with the level of pairsticism going on today, it is not actually likely that we'll continue to be able to enjoy the economic fruits of those inventions in the way we did before. and i go further and say that's already happening. i believe you can look at various markets today and see the destruction of those markets. i'll mention one, telecom equipment and anybody who knows that market knows there are bodies all over the room and more coming fro