chair maxwell: is there anybody that's in charge of when you look at a building, ge gaffic area and you find a building in, is there somebody that's in charge of going in that neighborhood or area to find out what's going on and what the potential growth is or what the plans -- if it's a planning area? >> when we're looking at these projections, we have our needs. so i might get a call from the president saying we are looking at these potential buildings or someone called me up for -- about this building. i would call up our attorney. and if it's allowable use, do we need permits. since i have been on board, we want to look at the process and requirements and making sure that we do go after the building, it is outlined when we update it. we may contact our facilities department to say, what's it going to convert this building to meet the needs of staff? do they have room to put extra printers or a building that has high ceiling. if fits drk it fits that type of use, when we go to the planning department, we ask them is this type of use allowed. chair maxwell: and how long have you been