he said, "you'll learn to like me." >> broad fired gehry then built the house anyway using gehry's drawingsn different models, i was impatient. i think he wanted to spend another year or two designing it, and i said, "frank, a work of art is never finished; it's only abandoned." >> they worked together again three years later to build disney hall, and once again, broad fired gehry. but he had to eat humble pie when the disney family insisted that he hire gehry back. >> we did it. we built it. we weren't friends. >> you've made your peace with him. at the same time, you've... >> i won't do a project for him. that's true. >> eli's middle name is "strings attached." eli "strings attached" broad. >> christopher knight, the art critic for the los angeles times, has been broad-watching for years. >> he's a first-generation, male, self-made gazillionaire, and people in that category typically believe-- and with good evidence--that they know how to make something a success, and that can be a problem. >> with science, broad leaves the details to the experts, but when he dangles his money and his art

buildk gehry project to an apartment. it would have stellar views.t like those of the house of travel. even inside there are a few flaws. there is not much headroom. not much room for a city to grow. hans nichols, bloomberg, berlin. he is fairly tall. break, you can follow me on twitter. we're going to take a short break. we will continue the conversation right here on "the pulse." ♪ >> welcome back. you're watching "the pulse." i am guy janssen -- guy johnson. people have gathered to commemorate the hundredth anniversary of britain joining world war i. in 1914. the french president is speaking live. portugal has taken control of banco espirito santo in a $4.9 billion takeover. junior bondholders will have significant losses. u.k. home-building expanded in july. the gauge rose to its highest level since 2003. itscreation expanded at highest rate since the gauge began. >> if i said to you we are coming off the work -- worst 2012,f u.s. stocks since you might expect a significant monday. this is not a rebound. down here in portugal, it is up 1/10 of 1%

but sitting down with people who were idols of mine, frank gehry or susan sontag or whomever, and spending an hour talking to them, was something i had never done. then i and my producers could shape that into radio. there is nothing like it. >> did you find it easy? >> i did not find it easy, although i think the dirty secret of radio compared to writing books is that it is easy in that there are other people, at least in my case. these guys knew how to make radio. i have producers who, after i have my delightful conversation with my heroes, turns it into radio. that is easy. >> damn you, kurt. >> as you know as well, having a conversation rather than doing an interview is a matter of tradecraft and learning. fortunately, we had a year to figure the show out chance to get me to at least and on embarrassing level of skill. >> what was the attraction for you? >> it is hard for me to say. maybe everything has been said already. more personally, for me, it was something about this mixture that radio can provide. it is ultimately about the boys, about somebody speaking to you in the dead of ni