. >> so gored dpon gekco, make that michael douglas. >> yeah. >> infamously said in wall street thated is good. how do you ever balance these issues that concern you so long as there is this thing called greed that drives so much of capitalism? >> well, i mean, that's why i think we can have an economic system that still has competition, but it's not greed driven that way. so, for example, you know, the basic structure, one of the things we're going to have are democratic workplace, okay. now democratic workplaces compete with each other, it's still a market so on and so forth, but you don't have a desire to drive your other -- the other company out of business. now, individuals may be greedy, but the whole system isn't based on that, you know. in fact, in a democratic enterprise, everyone's well-being is tied to the company doi well, okay. so what's good sfour good ffor people working for you and so you get a sense of cooperation. >> how do you -- how do you have a dynamic conversation, authentic conversation about fixing what's wrong with capitalism when you can't have a real conve