genachowski as things go forward? senator rockefeller has on numerous occasions thought that the fcc needs overall reform although a couple days ago he said maybe that might not be necessary, but he's certainly laser focused on the fcc. >> guest: and i think not only senator rockefeller has been focused on that, but i think a lot of people have focused on that. and i think, you know, reform of the fcc can come in multiple ways. it can come from congress, or it can come from the commission itself. both be michael copps as acting chair and julius genachowski as chair in their opening comments to staff and their public comments have expressed an interest in many of the rebombs -- reforms, if you will, that senator rockefeller has championed which is more openness, more transparency, data-driven results, clearer protocols, better communication internally and externally. those are the types of things senator rockefeller has talked about. i think that, i think that philosophically we see a lot of commonality between the ap

i have to say thus far chairman genachowski has been grateful and we communicate several times a week so i want to give him high marks for his first six weeks or so in office. >> why do you think he should be involved in the plan? what's the benefit for the agency if you have the to the republicans and other democrats on the commission so i think it has to be a flexible document and an internet time things are changing anyway so nothing should be stayed or carved in stone. commissioner would you see for the will of the private-sector in developing the plan? >> excellent question. this year by some estimates between 70 to $80 billion in capital expenditure will be invested by the private sector in broad and infrastructure. that dwarfs of course the seven plus billion dollars from the stimulus package to have public financing of broadband. and also dwarfs other countries' private investment or public investment in broadband. so, i think it is very important we not discourage that. the rule of a broadband plan should be do no harm. what we want to do is make sure we continue to have an e

i have to say thus far chairman genachowski's been very gracious and thoughtful and has reached out a lot, so i'm going to give him high marks for his first six weeks or so in office. >> host: why do you think you should be involve inside the plan if you've got the two republicans and the other democrats being put into the plan before this thing comes out? ultimately, this is a plan, and if you're going to do anything to try to get more broadband across the country, you're going to do rulemaking after this thing comes out. >> guest: sure. first of all, it's been said this plan is the biggest thing we've worked on since the telecommunications act, so if that is the case, you would hope it would be a collaborative effort as any big initiative at the fcc. if it's merely report to congress, that's one thing. but it's not called a report, it's called a plan. it remains to be seen will this be an options memo to congress, here are 50 great ideas, or can it be something more set in stone? i don't think it will be. what's interesting, and this is probably a bit of an oversight by congress is

point movement toward redefining public interest obligation and the new chairman will be julius genachowski the digital effort for obama's election campaign for what he did because he helped garner the youthful vote, the young vote. this man absolutely is in the mold of diversity of ownership, diversity of opinion and you point of localism, no question about it so those will be the two efforts led through the fcc. so i think it is around the corner. >> host: will this be a creeping kind of thing or instant and do you see radio stations already starting to build and localism or put on her little hosts in anticipation? >> guest: i don't see them putting on a liberal hosts so to speak but there is one group that is the largest retail company in america, clear channel communications, which has, it is trying to get out in front of this a little bit by establishing programing advisory boards which the fcc and clearly wants to get done through their localism mandates and they want to be doing it themselves rather than having government regulate and to me programing advisory boards are scary things