gene mccarthy was running against him. once johnson withdrew and said he wouldn't run for re-election, robert f. kennedy started running against him as well and these two anti-vietnam war candidates started winning primaries all over the country for the democratic nomination. and lbj at the time was escalating the war in vietnam and the country was turning against the war in vietnam. in the states that had primary, the democratic voters were making very clear over and over and over again they wanted a break with lbj, they certainly wanted a break with the war. they wanted an anti-war democratic nominee. and so after scaring the daylights out of lbj in new hampshire and effectively chasing him out of the race, gene mccarthy went on to win 6 of the 13 primaries that year. of course, robert f. kennedy was assassinated that year. he was assassinated during the campaign on the night that he won the california primary. robert f. kennedy won four primaries that year to gene mccarthy's six. and in that bizarre, tragic year, 1968,

. >> host: you have deal with gene mccarthy and the whole mccarthy movement during the '50s. >> guest: buckley wrote a book with the man who wrote the goldwater book defending buckley and his enemies. and later in life, a fascinating novel was written about mccarthy that was more complicated than his original view. yes, mccarthy kind of started communist behavior and the fall of the tarp against liberals who were not communist but he was charging they were. i am a liberal who is weary of yelling mccarthy-ism every time conservatives make an attack. not every attack is mccarthy-ism just like i am leery of using fascist when it isn't appropriate. but not seeing the energy within is very much there in parts of the white. you have seen it in the obama years with the notion he is muslim. i think that, too, has roots in mccarthy-ism. >> host: we are up to the goldwater period and i want to go through the goldwater agenda and platform running in '64. he is for ending social security, he is for ending aids to school, he is for ending federal welfare programs, ending bond programs, he is reall

baseball fans and politic fans, you know the largest rally ever held in a baseball field was 1968 for gene mccarthy at fenway and we all remember president mccarthy very well. we don't really remember president nader. >> that's going to be hard for some people. >> hurtful. i know. it doesn't necessarily translate into votes. i don't see her not getting there with the number of delegates she needs but i've been surprised before. >> and look at pennsylvania where hillary clinton has a 25 point lead over bernie sanders. one of the other points is not just pro-clinton or ant anti-sanders. a lot of the states she argus, you need do better. the swing states and southern states and president obama proved in virginia which hadn't gone democratic since lbj. and it's a combination of black voter turnout in places like virginia or north carolina coupled with some sort of economic progressivism. the argument being that hillary clinton from these state numbers is only doing well -- is -- that bern bernie's only doing well in places that matter less in the general. >> and the bernie people are saying hillary is

. >> you also have to deal than with gene mccarthy and the whole mccarthy movement that takes place during the 50. >> right. joe mccarthy was just as fascinating in buckley's life. buckley wrote a book who later wrote a book defending him. later in life he wrote a fascinating novel about joe mccarthy that was a little more complicated than his original view. yes, mccarthy kind of had all the charges against liberals who want communist but he was charging that they were communist. i think those echo over many years. i'm a liberal who is wary of yelling mccarthy every time conservatives make an attack. not every attack is mccarthy just as i'm aware of using the word fascist one is not appropriate. nonetheless, this tendency to see a kind of enemy within is very much there in parts of the right. you've seen it in the obama years. this notion that he was a secret muslim and all that. i think that too has roots in mccarthy back in the 50s. >> let's go, now word up to the goldwater period. let's go through the goldwater agenda. his platform if you will as he's running in 64. he he is for ending

gene mccarthy who, you know, whose rise to political prominence was, you know, driven forward by all these young activists, many on college campuses who got deeply engaged in politics because of the vietnam war, because of the vietnam draft, but also more well-known political figures like robert kennedy. but 1968, mind you, is also the year when richard nixon returns to the political stage. this is -- i did get permissions from george louis the designer of this wonderful cover to appear in the book. it is one of my favorite images. so richard nixon is -- the democrats are in disarray. richard nixon is the most unlikely comeback story. right? he loses in 1960. he loses in 1962 for the governor of california. like not even president. says you're never going to have nixon to kick around again. i'm going back to my law firm. and then 1968 he's back, but he's back as a very different candidate. again, this goes to sort of putting our current moment in context, thinking about the power of image, thinking about the power of media, and how the same politician might repackage themselves and a

obama administration and officials in the judge is saying the epa oversteps the legal bounds let gene mccarthy said when asked if she thought they would win the case she said yes. they didn't. but then she said '' even if we don't win, it was three years ago. most of the states and companies are already in compliance. they will catch up so even if we lose we win because everybody had to abide by a lot. but it is that source of frustration and we elaborate this because we can? it is the height of very ginsberg. the epa should abide by the al lot and the federal courts show they don't because we can isn't inappropriate answer with the people that work for you. >> senator it is disheartening we have regulators in that position in every day to make sure that we follow the lot. is so it is frustrating is admittedly a had very short notice at the time to field was a genuinely honest question with the lack to tunicate effectively and it was very disheartening at a minimum with a violation of trust. >> they didn't attempt to cite the law? they just said because we can? >> a statement where arkansas ma

gene mccarthy who, you know, whose rise to political prominence was, you know, driven forward by allng activists, many on college campuses who got deeply engaged in politics because of the vietnam war, because of the vietnam draft, but also more well-known political figures like robert kennedy. but 1968, mind you, is also the year when richard nixon returns to the political stage. this is -- i did get permissions from george louis the designer of this wonderful cover to appear in the book. it is one of my favorite images. so richard nixon is -- the democrats are in disarray. richard nixon is the most unlikely comeback story. right? he loses in 1960. he loses in 1962 for the governor of california. like not even president. says you're never going to have nixon to kick around again. i'm going back to my law firm. and then 1968 he's back, but he's back as a very different candidate. again, this goes to sort of putting our current moment in context, thinking about the power of image, thinking about the power of media, and how the same politician might repackage themselves and also take a

gene simmons will helps l make the announcement he ownswns team out in los angeles. angel >> that is super cool.. >> speaking of los angeles,osng guess where kevin mccarthy is here. ne simmons rocking out in thet diss trek but la is not a badota place to be.pl >> i am in la my commute wasteas decent this morning.ning four or 5:30 in the morning.he i it wasn't that bad.t i guarantee you the la trafficaa will be just as bad as d.c.s.c traffic at some point today.poid the traffic here is absolutelyol awful as you know, steve. steve you've been here million times.m you know it's absolutely terrible here. h >> what took you out there? ihi understand there's a big moviehg coming up tonight you'll bell watching.hing >> yeah, i'm really excited. eit 12 hours away from seeing batmat versus super man. man i've been waiting all -- forevev to see this i love zach schneider he did man of thef te steal, dead i'm seeing the.ing t i'm sitting down the castas tomorrow.moow. especially zach schneider ashnde well. i'm excited about this ming i'm talking to melissa mccarthy, melissa joan heart and kristin bell for the boss and god is not dead two.dead two. i'll have those inter views