most people don't know that paul tagliabue cross-examinationed gene upshaw during the reggie white trial. and early on in their relationship, i can promise you from going through everything i read about gene and the things he left for the person who was coming after him, when it started off, i'm sure there was not a day when one wasn't trying to tear the head off the other one. so those relationships evolved. >> yes. >> so i'm not sure any two people that have been thrust in a more high-profile, high-stakes relationship than roger and i. and he is going to do what he has to do and i'm going to do what i have to do, and you try to move that relationship to a point where there is trust, and there's a mutualty of what you want to achieve. and does it mean that every moment is, un, skipping down the lane, holding hands? no. but i think the most important thing that you can do is to never take anything personally. make sure you understand what your business objectives are, and perform your duties at the highest and best ability that you do. that's how ultimately how a deal is going to get don