collection maybe 20 years ago, probably at least 20 years ago when i discovered when i was on a geneological bender here, i discovered that they had a transcript of an interview of a gentleman by the name of william lloyd adams. also known as little willy adams. that name may ring a bell with some of you. he just passed away last year at 97. he was -- it's funny how that will change things, change people's recollection of things. he was a multi, multimillionaire. he was a developer, real estate, magnet, if you will. and a political power from probably the -- i would say the '40 right on through the '80s, the mid-'80s. i've always been fascinated by him i first heard about him, actually, when i was in high school, like 40 years ago. so when this was a gold mine that i discovered in this transcript of this interview and he touches on many of the campaigns that he had an involvement with. he doesn't talk about all of his relationships. there are many. he clearly understood the importance of politics. doing business and making advances for the -- i would not call him a civil rights icon by any means. h