attorney general mike mukasey and here in washington paul rosen, a former counsel for, of course, ken clinton investigation. gentlemen, it's great to see both of you. let's start with judge mukasey. judge, take it away. you saw the indictments and the agreement, the plea deal that papadopoulos agreed to. he pled to lying to federal agents. what's your take? >> i did. the first thing i have to comment on because of the contrast between the segment that you just broadcast and what we're going to be talking about now is that the contrast between somebody like general kelly and some of the pigmies that we are going to be talking about now between his sense of history, his personal sacrifice and what they are doing couldn't be greater. and you are stressing the importance of thinking about what the country means at the beginning of your show is going to be in stark relief when somebody draws a contrast between these two segments. that said, these indictments were in a way revealing of, in a sense of how small some of the is. the manafort indictment, of course, was of activity that began we

the president needs -- he needs to get someone like mike mukasey, former attorney general, make him aident and say your responsibility is to go over to that justice department and straighten it out. that justice department off rates under my power, not under any statute. all the cabinet officers are delegated power by the president. lou: our audience is smart and engaged. the department doesn't need an organizational restructuring. you are talking about going in and getting the president's interests represented in that department, his values inculcated in that organization. and the attorney general whether it's jeff sessions or someone else, and i would love to see mike mew casey in any role in this administration, and it would be immense benefit to this president. but somebody has to say this is -- president trump, this is his agenda, his administration, and be sure you say president before you have say trump every time you mention the man who leads this nation. i'm so sick of hearing reporters talk about -- not giving him the honor and respect of his title. ed: i couldn't agree with