and the gold miner, gdx, the last one, that's an etf as well, another market leader doing well so far today here. it's very interesting to see the ipo rush generating lots of sarcasm. you wereox, mark cuban had an interesting comment as soon as the box terms were announced mr. cuban came out and said i wish box the best but i would combust if eight years in i was responsible for $169 million losses less revenues and he's referring to the fact that they reported $168 million in losses and, of course, they're doing that because they spent an awful lot of money to get new customers. there are plenty of start-ups that have been doing it for years and years, you were talking about workday, they did it for the longest time and the argument was we have to spend money because we get new customers and the subscriptions stay with us for many years. that's been the argument for years for companies, workday, salesforce, they spend aggressively. people have been buying into it and there's a point maybe they won't. but at least it's been called into question. we've been seen some weakness in companies. look at some of these names and they're not always in the same businesses but they are