. >>> first, few tools proven better to society in general than cyberspace. modern networks handle intelligence, operate unmanned vehicles and more. they also constitute an enormous vulnerability, coming under attacks daily from foreign governments, criminals, terrorists and private individuals. our next guest says there needs to be sweeping change that includes new international laws and redefine roles for government, industry and the public. he was once the chief information officer for the intelligence community and now the vice president and general manager of cyber and information assurance for the harris corporation. dale, welcome to the show. >> thank you. >> you have a very different view as to what the problem is. you're saying it's not really a security problem but a national problem. can you explain that? >> absolutely. cyberspace underpins virtually every segment of our society, whether you get money from an atm, whether it controls flood gaits of dams, transportation systems, medical records. etc. >> the entire power grid? >> yes. the united stat