right after the switch on the ammonia death rates were going up in genesee county where flint was located it's going down in other counties. emery confirmed what we thought from the beginning which is that the outbreak in flint of the legionnaires outbreak was significantly higher than officially reported. >> host: oceanside, new york. and, good morning. >> caller: good morning. i would like to say first to the gentleman that did work for epa and if there is people that is negligent in their jobs or inapt and doing things improperly and people are paying the price whether legionnaires or lead in water these people -- five years as a slap on the wrist as far as i'm concerned. give people's lives on your hands. we want to remind everybody you can trust me better trust in to verify the water is safe. we were told the air was safe. a lot of my friends are dying and louis alvarez died not too long ago from 911 and is on point but we were told the air was safe. okay? that's the point. don't trust the government. their fight for yourself and your community. i don't know how we get paid but it's

tisreally see the forest for the trees, to look at whether or not the t difference that we saw in genesee countyaningful. >> narrator: the team compared control group.deaths to a >> t control group that we chose for this analysis was counties that were similar to genesee county in many respectsr in of their size, and income, and education level, ane soo-economic profile, but were both in michigan and in surrounding states. and so what we see here is that when we start in 2011,llow this mortality rate, they're pretty similar between genesee county and the contrs. and they'rthpretty similar, they're quite similar, and thi continues until we get to about the middle of 2014. and this is sort of where the inflection point happens here. in narrator: the increase was most pronounced the first six months of 2014, and lesso in it's not clear whye int was still on river water then. >> right when the legionnaires' epidemic starts, the pneumonia death rate in genesee goes up, while in the other counties, it's going down. so, we got this ry clear divergence when you plot that over time. >> narrator: after ru

so while it was going up in genesee county, it was going down in other counties. so emily confirmed that the legionnaires outbreak -- emory confirmed that the region's outbreak was centered on flint. caller: good morning. i wanted to say first that the gentleman who worked for the people, ift those they were incompetent in their jobs, five years is a slap on the wrist as far as i am confirmed. you got people's lives on your hand. everybody, youd can trust, but you better trust and verify that your letter was safe. we were told that the air was safe. safe.e told the air was that is the point. don't trust the government. you have to verify for yourself, your community. people.ually poor is a sad thing to think that there was led in the water. i don't want to bring politics into this, but republicans and democrats, sometimes political people are not the people, it is bureaucracies that are running. they are not privy to everything. it is like senator mccain making the trip to the v.a. and everything is running shipshape the day before he comes. and when he leaves, pe

. >> narrator:y midsummer, more than a dozen legionnres' cases had been confirmed, rm many as genesee county typically see in a yinr. but most people ine lint knew nothing about the growing outbreak, including jaui mcbride, whose daughter jassmine was its youngest known victim. >> i walked into that room, all i see is this machine, these tubes, my daughter laying there stiff, you know, just stiff. the doctor asked, he said, "have you heard of legionnaire?" and i'm, like, "no. at the hell is that?" >> narrator: jassmine was 26 and had diabetes, wh, h made her vulnerable. she was admitted to the intensive-care unit. f >> tst doctor kept saying, "well, we don't know if she's o going to make not." i didn't want to hear that. ♪ i think the same day she was there, sebody had passed, maybe next to her, and had the same thing she had, legionnaires'. >> narrator: scientists we've spoken to who have examined the legionnaires' outbreakoint to a fateful decision, months before jassmine got sick, tobe switch flint's water to a nesource. >> the first dirt turn for the pipeline, ladies and gentlemen! >> cr

so while it was going up in genesee county, it was going down in other counties.y confirmed that the legionnaires outbreak -- emory confirmed that the region's outbreak was centered on flint. caller: good morning. i wanted to say first that the gentleman who worked for the people, ift those they were incompetent in their jobs, five years is a slap on the wrist as far as i am confirmed. you got people's lives on your hand. everybody, youd can trust, but you better trust and verify that your letter was safe. we were told that the air was safe. safe.e told the air was that is the point. don't trust the government. you have to verify for yourself, your community. people.ually poor is a sad thing to think that there was led in the water. i don't want to bring politics into this, but republicans and democrats, sometimes political people are not the people, it is bureaucracies that are running. they are not privy to everything. it is like senator mccain making the trip to the v.a. and everything is running shipshape the day before he comes. and when he leaves, people are

so still very muchd in the world of clinton genesee county. >> i asked her. >> good morning, i just want to make sure that you can get the facts from the very beginning. wasn't that governor of michigan involved in some of this. some of the epa officials and the switch of from the front river. and how they were negligent, i am reminded of how difficult it is to compare how even when president trump tried to say that noah said. >> let's just take your question. abby: i don't know about the governor pressuring the epa specifically. p another was a whistleblower at the epa who tried to blow the whistle on lead levels very early on. it was discredited. this is something we've seen throughout the entire basis. we have scientists or medical professional to come to the table we put evidence suggesting that there is lead in the water. there's bacteria in the water and the blood levels are higher. every step of the way, it seems government officials have discredited them. and not taken the word. initially. >> what happened in the criminally prosecution we put the state attorney general. how did t

the auto workers in michigan where the gm plant is, in genesee county, wayne, oakland, lancing, all of these counties except for one over on the west side that have a gm factory voted for hillary clinton. they didn't vote for him. >> that's interesting. >> the auto workers did not vote for him. this is a real thing. when you think working class, pundant class and joe biden talk about it. like it's lunch bucket joe and that's who's got to win but the majority of the working class are women of color. they are young. they earn the lowest wages in our economy. when you think working class, every time you hear that term, you need to think it's a 30-year-old black woman. that's what the working class is. >> there's a case that if you spend a lot of time around car country, detroit, flint, what the uaw has built over the course of the years as an organization, as a union, as a political force is a fascinating look of how you put together -- stitch together the kind of multi-racial coalition that is the very thing that the democratic party and center left are thinking about. >> right. >> talk