geneva to present a report. first of all we discussed a number of issues which could open the avenue for this report to reach out to the north korean leadership, the issues of how can the report help north korean people, and how north korean people can learn more about the report. the question about the - how much surprise, how much the shock might be given to the readers of this report and other rely difficult. the groups, particularly the activist grournings the human right -- grournings the human watch, they have been monitoring for a long time, not a year, but decades ago they monitored in north korea, the external nation camps, the massive human right abuse and abduction of sit dispeps from other -- citizens from other countries. >> that's the thing. the report will come out - can anything be done. the recommendation is to go to the icc. it's not blaming individuals. can this be acted on, do you think? >> that's what our discussion with justice kirby focussed on. the whole government needs to be looked at holistically, and the problem is not just one country being nasty to its citizens, it comes in the lega