the geneva convention, the withdrawal of u.s. troops would definitely -- the problem is when the supreme court decisions were made, the judge echoed the geneva convention saying it also applies to the end of hostilities setting up a kind of parallel geneva convention based on the a usf which won't be given up slightly by people with power and responsibility for it. the nba a provision to try to expand what it covers so dozen narrowly cover the taliban but can be expended so the president decides is the enemy, very troubling. we're putting a position where we can argue but i don't think the last 11 years have shown there is lots of institutional push for the war to be endless. >> this gentleman over here. >> i have a question, may be hypothetical or theoretical. what would happen if president obama would decide tomorrow i closed down guantanamo? he is commander-in-chief. if he would do this what would happen? could congress block it? what would happen if he would make the decision tomorrow? >> there are practical problems with whe

we have forged that completely, the geneva convention. the fact that people are supposed to be held until a certain time. >> combat troops. >> yes, but the problem is when the supreme court decisions were made, the judges echoed the geneva convention by saying it also applied until the end of activities, setting up a parallel geneva convention. aumf will not be given up likely for people. this is some of the problems we have seen. it did not want to narrowly cover just the al qaeda and taliban but could be expanded for whoever the president decides is the enemy. it's troubling. we would be put in a position that we can argue we've reached the end. the last 11 years have shown there's a lot of institutional push for this war to be over with. >> the gentleman over here. >> i'm from the german embassy. my name is joseph. i have a question that may be hypothetical. what would happen if president obama would decide tomorrow to close down guantanamo. he as commander-in-chief, if he would do this, what would happen? could congress or anyone bloc

united states is a party to the geneva conventions of 1949.the original geneva conventions at the traditional laws of war were radically altered in 1977 by the addition of additional protocol one to the geneva conventions. protocol one was supported during negotiations by the group of 77, soviet bloc at the time, the speeds, the swiss, many human rights groups, many ngos, nongovernmental organizations including international committee of the red cross. protocol recognized guerrillas and terrorists is operating without uniforms and without clear command structure is this legitimate combatants. they work under the regulation of the conventions. so they change the rules to favor regular horses or conventional forces. two examples. under protocol one, regulars and terrorists are permitted to hide in civilian population with concealed weapons before an attack it at that point consider civilians. at that point they bring their weapons out of fire. they're a legitimate combatant and forces can fire at them. then they jump back in the crowd and that p

everybody was guilty before we ever we were left united states while you were told that the geneva conventions don't apply. yes we were told that the day before we left. what did you see firsthand over there that really. you know kind of made it apparent what was really going on what was the turning point for you. there's just there's a lot of abuse that took place where there was from the medics you know. there was a incident where detainee is it and shot no one with a fifty cal on his elbow head grew to two his muscles you know it stretched too far to make him scream i think the incident that really sticks out my mind was is an overbroad what walk where detainee actually got beating being so bad his blood actually stay in the concrete floor there at camp x.-ray and they had to rush into the hospital there at guantanamo and since sr all this happened the detainee has been out he's been cleared of all charges but still to this day yes lingering effects of physical effects from that from that assault or from the abuse that took place that day but that one is really what made me start think what

the common article three status you know the one chose kuantan a mode to totally ignore the geneva conventions and say they were coins and they didn't apply they had no rights other than whatever the president chose to give them out of the goodness of his heart the supreme court stepped in and said oh contraire the law does apply and common article three is a baseline for treatment so i'm going to have as you were the chief prosecutor on time obey and you resigned and the main reason you resigned was because you really disagreed with what you were saying is that right now was my policy been for two years we would use evidence obtained by torture and then. new officials appointed above me to say president bush said we don't torture and he said we don't then who are you to say that we do and to me that was just a line to florida to go into an american court of justice with evidence obtained by methods that senator mccain and others say constitutes torture and to use that to convict someone instead of some to death was a step too far for me i mean what do you think about that i mean i just i just

that transfix applied, setting up a parallel geneva convention puts based on the tran six.be given up lightly by people but power and responsibility. the ndaa provisions to expand so that different neroli conger al qaeda and taliban, that expanded to whoever the president decides is the enemy. it's very troubling. or put in a position where we can argue we've reached the end, but the last 11 years have shown there's a lot of institutional push for the end. >> gentleman over here. >> german embassy. i have a question, and the hypothetical or theoretical, but what would happen if president obama would decide tomorrow, i close one time though. what would have been done? could anyone, or could congress block it? if you would make this decision tomorrow. >> well, there are practical problems now with where people can go, so it takes work to get it so you can empty the people at one time though. you need to open it up so people can come to the united states, certain of them certainly did make it easier for them to go to their country. i go back to the lincoln thing. lincoln could

it is arguable that article 36 of the geneva convention might be used for certain kinds of enhanced warre goes my magic orange sling shot but butt exploder. imogen, thoughts? >> like it ever stopped the pentagon before. that's why they couldn't dot petition thing. >> it is called 12/11, baby. >> next? >> dan, what lessons if any can we learn from the movie "universal soldier." >> that lungrin and john claude van dam can have one hell of a fight scene at the end. i was genetic clear engineered to be meed yolker. >> that keeps you off the battlefield which is amazing. >> the i don't know stuff. >> isn't this a violation of our rights? >> this is the stupidest thing i have ever heard. i love the academic who started with the weasel word, arguable. 24r* are a lot of things arguable. >> there is an addition to the geneva convention that said extraordinary -- it was inhumane weapons. i don't know what is inhumane about an exoskeleten. >> all is fair in love and war which is why i wear an exoskeleten. >> he needs to learn his history. we will go back to world war ii. he was the first by logica

treated the japanese in accord with the geneva convention hopefully that would lead to better treatment of americans. the difficulty of early on they wanted to commit suicide for the very reason i mentioned earlier they thought the

the geneva convention to withdraw the u.s. troops would definitely signify.urt decisions were made, the judges after the geneva convention, setting up a parallel based on the aumf. that's what we've seen in the nba provision to try to expand and doesn't narrowly cover. it's whoever the president decides is the enemy. it's very troubling. but in a position where we argue we've reached the end, but there's a lot of institutional push to run with. >> this gentleman over here. >> i have a question, maybe hypothetical or theoretical, for what would happen if president obama would decide tomorrow, i close down guantÁnamo. he has commander-in-chief, if he would do this, what happened then? could anyone, or to congress bucket or what would have been if he would make this decision tomorrow? >> well, there are practical problems now with wicked people can go. so it takes work to get it so you can empty people at guantÁnamo. you need to open it up so people can come to the united states and make it easier for them to go to countries. i go back to the lincoln thing. linc

treated the japanese prisoners in accord with the geneva convention hoping that would lead to better treatment of americans. the biggest difficulty with japanese prisoners was that early on they wanted to commit suicide. for the very reasons that i mentioned earlier. they thought being captured was dishonorable and begged the americans to let them commit suicide. finally the treatment they receive for the

we have forged that completely, the geneva convention. the fact that people are supposed to be held until a certain time. >> combat troops. >> yes, but the problem is when the supreme court decisions were made, the judges echoed the geneva convention by saying it also applied until the end of activities, setting up a parallel geneva convention. aumf will not be given up likely for people. this is some of the problems we have seen. it did not want to narrowly cover just the al qaeda and taliban but could be expanded for whoever the president decides is the enemy. it's troubling. we would be put in a position that we can argue we've reached the end. the last 11 years have shown there's a lot of institutional push for this war to be over with. >> the gentleman over here. >> i'm from the german embassy. my name is joseph. i have a question that may be hypothetical. what would happen if president obama would decide tomorrow to close down guantanamo. he as commander-in-chief, if he would do this, what would happen? could congress or anyone bloc

american administration so the united states which has signed torture conventions has signed the geneva conventions but is trying to work outside of them by calling torture enhanced interrogation and by calling their prisoners of war enemy combatants is trying to create a completely new structure which in some part it has succeeded in doing over the past eleven years simply because almost the rest of the world the so-called international community is quite happy to play along but that doesn't mean that the united states or anybody else is above the law it's not just washington's problem is the problem the international community is the problem of the countries that facilitated the journeys and the travel of these men to guantanamo bay in the first place when everybody was in afghanistan or pakistan or fighting the americans at all the united states doesn't seem to have a very credible position but unfortunately it's not just united states that has failed on this issue it's the whole international community through their collusion in continuing to keep guantanamo bay open. we'll be bringing you more

because then they wouldn't be subject to the geneva conventions to international law and humanitarian law reports suggest such prisons were in existence from two thousand and two but you simply not long after the events of nine eleven the u.s. government denied the existence of these prisons until two thousand and six now the only country in europe which has acknowledged the presence of a secret cia facility on its territory is lithuania and if you were to look at it you will you will see something almost a deliberate site except for the imposing fences surrounding it likewise a suspected secret prison in poland is believed to be located here apparently in one of the most beautiful spots in the country according to various reports mostly from journalists or human rights organizations so-called high value detainees were flown in by the cia for interrogation at these polish facilities. i managed to get records from the airport in germany where it's clear that they have learned an aircraft used by the cia very important evidence because until then everyone denied these landings and repor

because then they wouldn't be subject to the geneva conventions and to international law and humanitarian law which in their twisted thinking they said existed only within the u.s. so the idea of holding prisoners around the world in secret detention was they were there for again according to this twisted logic and new to any international law human rights law or conventions that the u.s. had signed. twenty people have reportedly been killed in a plane crash in conflicts down a plane carrying five crew and fifteen passengers went down near the city of buddy in the country's south after one pm local time reports say there are no survivors the challenger two hundred operated by a cause that company's got was performing an internal fight and crashed while trying to land in harsh weather conditions the company says it will reveal the cause of the crash after the flight recorders are recovered rescue and investigators are working at the scene. twenty minutes past the hour here in moscow let's take a look around the globe at some world news in brief for you now are a suicide bomber has blown hi

because then they wouldn't be subject to the geneva conventions and to international law and humanitarian law which in their twisted thinking they said existed only within the u.s. so the idea of holding prisoners around the world in secret detention was they were there for again according to this twisted logic and new to any international law human rights law or conventions that the u.s. had signed. now let's take a look at some other stories from around the world in mali french roots have an thirteen taking control of the key northern cities facing almost zero resistance local media claim that islamised fire was torched a library destroying sal's of priceless manuscripts before fleeing this comes days after the military seized the rebel stronghold of go defensive has led to a number of civilian deaths reports are emerging of a french helicopter attack in qana that killed at least twelve villagers including children french president francois hollande says the intervention will continue for as long as necessary. the deadly fire in a brazil nightclub which killed more than two hundred thir

claimed they could hold prisoners outside the us because then they wouldn't be subject to the geneva conventions and to international law and humanitarian law which in their twisted thinking they said existed only within the us so the idea of holding prisoners around the world in secret detention was they were there for again according to this twisted logic and new to any international law human rights law or conventions that the u.s. had signed. the u.s. senate panel approves a john kerry as the next secretary of state and as the nation's least top diplomat to take up the job we also caught different will he be from his. wealthy british soil some time tirelessly. market. has come to. find out what's really happening to the global economy with mike's concert for a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune into a report on our. mission and free accreditation three cents for a judge is free to make amends three. three stooges free . download free broadcast quality video for your media projects a free media dog r t v dot com. world . science technology innovation all the latest de

because then they wouldn't be subject to the geneva conventions and to international law and humanitarian law which in their twisted thinking they said existed only within the u.s. so the idea of holding prisoners around the world in secret detention was they were there for again according to this twisted logic and knew to any international law human rights law or conventions that the u.s. had signed now is to look at some other stories from around the world a suicide bomber has targeted the presidential palace in the somalian capital mogadishu one person has been confirmed killed although there are reports saying up to five more may also be dad the it's. gird native his explosives outside the main gate of the home of the country's president after being stopped by guards some shaikh muhammad was out of the country when the attack occurred he survived an earlier assess the nation attempt in september when two suicide bombers blew themselves up at a hotel where the leader was staying. the u.k. is likely to agree to send troops to train mali and forces as part of a joint e.u. mission but sti

claimed they could hold prisoners outside the us because then they wouldn't be subject to the geneva conventions and to international law and humanitarian law which in their twisted thinking they said existed only within the us so the idea of holding prisoners around the world in secret detention was they were there for again according to this twisted logic and new to any international law human rights law or conventions that the u.s. had signed. look at some other stories from around the world the u.k. sam troops are in force as part of a joint u. mission that's despite previous statements by prime minister david cameron the british troops would not go onto the ground in mali offering only logistical support meanwhile french led troops have entered timbuktu retaking control of a key northern city facing almost zero resistance local media claimed that as long as fighters torched a library destroying thousands of priceless manuscripts before fleeing. following a deadly fire in a brazil nightclub which killed more than two hundred thirty people police have arrested the club's owners and members of

is so the united states which has signed torch conventions has signed the geneva conventions but is trying to work outside of them by calling torture enhanced interrogation and by calling their prisoners of war enemy combatants is trying to create a completely new structure which in some part it has succeeded in doing over the past eleven years simply because almost the rest of the world the so-called international community is quite happy to play along but that doesn't mean that the united states or anybody else is above the law eighty six detainees have been cleared for release from guantanamo but they remain at the facility why is that what what other legal grounds for the release and where are those supposed to go from the. well the united states government part of the signing of the n.d.a. twenty thirteen was that they couldn't be released to the united states mainland and that's been quite a big issue over the past so many years of where to send the prisoners the problem is that once you've been held at guantanamo bay you're tarnished with the brush of being involved in terrorism act

american administration so the united states which has signed a torch conventions has on the geneva conventions but is trying to work outside of them by calling torture in hans interrogation and by calling the prisoners of war anime combatants is trying to create a completely new structure which in some parts it has succeeded peter put on tom i'm a bay open. star wars there from a london based activist money are one of those campaigning to close guantanamo. on the border and beyond the courts eleven years on guantanamo remains open for business marty looks at the interrogation nerve center of america's war on terror. the weapons could fall into the wrong hands you know while the u.k. says it could start arming the rebels that is to ask quickly to lift an arms embargo middle east commentator and blogger carl shero believes the iranian and she is just another red herring. now there's a kind of sequence a chain of alarmists in our us that are being produced concerning chemical weapons nuclear or any i'm sort of the syrian regime there's a process of planning for that day off their ass as western p

operation that can only be described as a medieval torture chamber it's in violation of the geneva conventions and violation of the us constitution it violates legal principles which is trial by jury that goes back thousands of years it's in violation of due process that's written into the u.s. constitution written into the magna carta eight hundred years ago we have a. president and a congress who are by a leading basic human rights principles of access to a trial by jury access to the reasonable claim that they cannot be held without being either being released or promptly being charged and probably having a access to a court of law to have their day in court the united states and the president of the united states they are the number one terrorist nation the c.i. a is the private army of the united states they commit kidnapping torture and assassination most recently through the drone program so it's it's a. violation of human rights well don't you if we didn't know what your stance was on it before we certainly do now you know to find ok i get that but the proponents of it will say with th