many parts of the world, particularly in afghanistan, they see -- they have been, you know, since genghis kahn, people have been going across afghanistan, conquering it, somebody new comes. each time the indigenous people have been strong enough to sort of ward off and eventually get rid of their attackers. their attackers wore out. it's sort of the same way now. some of the people like us being there. some of them have been honest, upright, good people. some have been crooks, you know. karzai and his family were involved in the drug trade. the other problem is this. and this is a real problem that the other side fails to acknowledge is afghanistan is not really a country. afghanistan is an area of central asia that westerners drew a line around. in the late teens or 20's. it might have been 1922. we draw this line around afghanistan. we call it a country, but it's not really a country. the far western part speaks farsi or is related to the iranian people or has more in common. the northern tribes have more in common with the uzbeks and different nationalities to the north. the pashtuns a