to now we have to ask should they join me to discuss that is mark canis founder of the genocide intervention network and scott horton contributing editor on legal and national security matters for harper's magazine chairman i want to thank you both for joining us tonight and marc i'm to start with you just start by telling us why it is that you think that human rights organizations should use drones human rights organizations to use people to monitor human rights violations we either give visas and do it with the permission of governments were sometimes they sneak in and go in there without governments knowing in burma for example lots of people are being killed there we've got human rights monitors there so the technology of drones it's cheaper it's more available and you don't have to put why it's a risk why not use technology to further advance what people already doing and allow people to see more the force from the trees than ever before and let's not forget that when we say cheaper we still mean about a couple hundred thousand dollars right now they're not in the millions anymore but they're g