gensler. you've said that in 2008, the financial system failed and the financial regulatory system failed. in your view, you've said also that there have been failures with respect to the over the counter derivatives market. how did that market fail? >> well, i think that derivatives which were initially meant to lower and mitigate risk and are really a very important hedging tool for thousands of companies and municipalities also concentrated and heightened risk. they concentrated and heightened risk at aig for sure, but elsewhere as well. secondly, beyond concentrating and heightening that risk, there's that interconnectedness, that wonderful graphic that this commission has, on just one entity, limits the flexibility of the government to let something fail. so things not only became too big to fail, but too interconnected to fail. or to be allowed to fail. and thirdly, i think specifically to the crisis -- there's this wonderful graphic. >> and that, i might add, is only 49 of the counterpa