thank you very much for joining the broadcast . thank you, the secretary general of nato and genstoltenbergpoke today, and just now taras zoftenko, an expert on international security of the democratic initiatives foundation named after ilko kucherev, is joining our broadcast. good evening i greet you. good evening. we have already talked a little bit about security guarantees, which in your opinion can be, what security guarantees can be before ukraine is officially invited to become a full member of nato, well , in fact, there are several approaches to these guarantees, these approaches were actively discussed just a week ago, we are months before this day, and in fact, before the vilnius summit, and in fact, one of the most realistic, rational options was voiced today, in addition to the secretary general of nato, she also urges the fundryam actually talked about the fact that, to a certain extent, it was also already discussed in the expert environment that, in fact , the foundation of such a guarantee, such guarantees of security in ukraine on the way to nato, while this membership in