. >> host: you point out, and i want to know the significance, both steve jobs and geoff bass's did notnow their real fathers. >> guest: it is an interesting thing. you have such talented and a sense superior and driven people behind these companies. why is it that apple and amazon and the visionaries behind those companies were so relentless and restless and their pursuit? his, it is interesting that they did not know their fathers. i feel like and a sense they have all become our fathers now in a sense, the fathers of technology. and i just -- there was this relentless pursuit to be at the top, to be number one. i respect them, but i also wonder at what point there would be satisfied, happy. >> host: you have a subchapter in here called the problem with life. what is the problem? >> guest: well, one thing is there is really not a dislike. so all the time even if you have bad moods to it share people's only option is to like it. yes, i agree you lost your job. wait. i'm not supposed to like that. what do i do? it forces you to make all of your news positive. even if it is something bad

. >> host: you point out, and i want to know the significance, both steve jobs and geoff bass's did notnow their real fathers. >> guest: it is an interesting thing. you have such talented and a sense superior and driven people behind these companies. why is it that apple and amazon and the visionaries behind those companies were so relentless and restless and their pursuit? his, it is interesting that they did not know their fathers. i feel like and a sense they have all become our fathers now in a sense, the fathers of technology. and i just -- there was this relentless pursuit to be at the top, to be number one. i respect them, but i also wonder at what point there would be satisfied, happy. >> host: you have a subchapter in here called the problem with life. what is the problem? >> guest: well, one thing is there is really not a dislike. so all the time even if you have bad moods to it share people's only option is to like it. yes, i agree you lost your job. wait. i'm not supposed to like that. what do i do? it forces you to make all of your news positive. even if it is something bad

. >> host: you point out, and i want to know the significance, both steve jobs and geoff bass's did notnow their real fathers. >> guest: it is an interesting thing. you have such talented and a sense superior and driven people behind these companies. why is it that apple and amazon and the visionaries behind those companies were so relentless and restless and their pursuit? his, it is interesting that they did not know their fathers. i feel like and a sense they have all become our fathers now in a sense, the fathers of technology. and i just -- there was this relentless pursuit to be at the top, to be number one. i respect them, but i also wonder at what point there would be satisfied, happy. >> host: you have a subchapter in here called the problem with life. what is the problem? >> guest: well, one thing is there is really not a dislike. so all the time even if you have bad moods to it share people's only option is to like it. yes, i agree you lost your job. wait. i'm not supposed to like that. what do i do? it forces you to make all of your news positive. even if it is something bad