we also will note geoff duncan is a republican.oris. >>> let's break down only of the key details in this case. the infamous call that then president trump made -- listen. >> so, look, all i want to do is this. i want to find 11,780 votes, which is >> -- overturn biden's 2020 win. this involves potential violations of state law. let's break it down. charges that could include election fraud, making false statements to state and local officials and even racketeering which willis previously used to prosecute gangs and even public school officials who oversaw a cheating scheme. here are some of the key players in all of this. of course, d.a. fani willis, the judge overseeing the grand jury, robert mcbernie. he's defended willis, but then blocked her from pursuing -- meantime you have secretary of state fred raffensperger who is on that call. the infamous find the votes call. he rejected donald trump's efforts and certified the results in the peach state not once, but twice. then there's rudy giuliani. he's accused of presenting bogus

those include former lieutenant governor geoff duncan. cnn learning that lieutenant governor duncan just walked into the grand jury room to testify. trump posted on social media earlier, i'm reading reports failed lieutenant governor geoff duncan, misspelling geoff, is called in to testify. he shouldn't. cnn's sara murray starts us off from fulton county georgia with a closer look at what these witnesses are telling them behind closed doors. >> reporter: an atlanta jury arriving to hear the case on donald trump's attempts to overturn the election in 2020. fulton county district attorney fani willis expected to seek charges against more than a dozen individuals. security already ramped up around the local courthouse as the former president faces down a likely fourth indictment. >> is there any chance you take a plea deal? >> no plea deal. we did nothing wrong. we don't take plea deals. it's a wise guy question. >> reporter: trump lashing out at former lieutenant governor geoff duncan. >> i'm going to answer the questions presented to me muc

one of those is former georgia lieutenant governor and cnn contributor geoff duncan. both of them have now been told that they need to appear before this grand jury today. obviously, this is an indication that this case is moving pretty quickly before the grand jury. we had expected this grand jury presentation to take up to two days. but again, she seems to be consolidating the days for these witnesses to appear. it's an indication that we could see indictments as early as later today. we don't know that. this could still take until tomorrow, but we certainly are going to be on high alert for any potential charges emerging today or tomorrow. >> sara, is there a time limit for that happening today? in other words, would it have to happen before close of business if it were to happen today? >> reporter: well, look, what we are expecting to happen is that whenever the grand jury hands up these indictments, whether it is today, whether it is tomorrow, that they will become public very quickly after that. so we don't exactly know, again, like when that is going to be, but

you also have former lieutenant governor geoff duncan. he's very interesting because not only is he sort of involved in the case, but he's also someone it appears as those this investigation may have derailed his political career. he decided i don't want to run for re-election. how have people who were sort of involved in this who were elected officials, how has this affected them on the ground? are there other people should this indictment come down, they'll be stepping away from or leaning into state politics? what might the results be at the state capitol level there in atlanta? >> yeah, jason, i'm glad you brought up the former lieutenant governor because he just left the courthouse behind me after testimony before the grand jury. he wouldn't say exactly what he told the grand jurors but he did say the nation is at a pivot point, a turning point, and he said republicans should move on from donald trump. this is something we in georgia have heard for the last two plus years. he's a conservative republican, he was an ally of donald trum

geoff duncan was one of those. the other one is independent journalist george cheatty, who has been tweeting updates in what appears to be the waiting area for witnesses testifying before the grand jury. he just sent another update saying that the grand jury appears to be chewing over what they learned so far today. and it's unclear if he's going to have to testify. so, i think what we're seeing is the district attorney's team moving pretty speedily through presenting a lot of this case before the grand jury and trying to determine, frankly, if they're going to be able to push the grand jury for a vote and to hand up indictments tonight or if this is going to spill over to tomorrow, anderson. >> so, george cheatty is sitting outside waiting to go in, not clear if he is actually going to be called. when would we get word that the grand jury has voted? >> reporter: essentially we will get word when papers leave the room the grand jury is meeting in and make their way into the courtroom of the presiding duj, robert mc

today former georgia lieutenant governor geoff duncan revealed to cnn he will testify before a grand ncan is also a cnn political commentator. all of this as the son of the current president faces mounting legal troubles of his own, just yesterday the justice department appointed a special counsel to oversee the prosecution of hunter biden. joining us now to discuss all of this seung min kim from the associated press and laura barone lopez. great to see you both. laura, i want to start first with you. we see the former president campaigning. what are we expecting to see from him in the next few days as this goes on in georgia because now this would be a fourth indictment. he kind of has a playbook here. >> he does. he right away sometimes gets ahead of the indictment, especially if his team is notified of the details then he will often post on truth social ahead of it attacking the prosecutor in this case he would be attacking the faultening county district attorney fani willis and her entire team and saying it isn't true, this isn't something he's done and rallying his base around hi

, the former lieutenant governor geoff duncan of georgia.d that to cnn. but how do we expect things to unfold starting as soon as monday? >> we are going to have to wait and see on that point. you will say here that the fact that there is another load stone, another marker for former president trump's legal woes underscores the unique situation in this presidential cycle. there hasn't been a frontrunner president who has had so many indictments, so many lawsuits against him that he has to pay attention to as he is running for president, while also being the frontrunner in a major american political party's primary. so this is something that is going to be a factor and if you are donald trump, you really want to portray this as a, quote, unquote, witch hunt, as sort of a political maneuver by his opponents, and that's what we are going to be hearing from him in the coming months probably straight through the republican primary and perhaps through election day. >> yeah, we already heard him launching attacks on the fulton county d.a., calling

cnn has now learned that georgia's former -- geoff duncan got a subpoena to testify before the grand jury this month. he is the third witness, the fourth witness that we know of now to have been subpoenaed and what is a clear sign indictments are potentially coming in this long-running investigation and geoff duncan joins me now. thank you so much for being here tonight. when did you get the subpoena and when it is asking for you to appear? >> i'm going to certainly keep the details to myself, just to protect the integrity of the investigation but they are very clear subpoena that was delivered to us late last week. we will certainly answer the questions that they've got for us and answer their call to show up for the grand jury. >> so, you got at least last week. what do you expect there are going to ask him. you know this, you witnessed a, what do you think they're going to focus on with you? >> i certainly have no idea what their exact questions are and i've been an open book. i've literally written a book about this. i've tried to change the direction of the republican party. i s

we know george chidi, geoff duncan, our colleagues saw gabriel sterling also entering the courthouseay. he is somebody who theoretically would be key in the d.a.'s presentation, of course he can speak to the pressure that was allegedly put on raffensperger, the phone call to find more votes in order to overturn biden's vukt ri in the state. as for what's happening, those people have testified, more are coming forward to testify. the question now is what else is there. what other presentations does fani willis have to make. we know these are the greatest hits. 75 witnesses during the special grand jury period. these are the people she's counting on to seal the deal as she makes her case before the grand jury. now we're just waiting to see when that wraps up and when we could see a vote, katy. >> and it could possibly happen today. ken, lay out the scope here. what charges could be coming, emphasis on could? >> could is a good word, katy. it's a secret process. there's been a lot of reporting suggesting that fani willis is building a racketeering case, and there would be predicate crim

and geoff duncan joins me now. thank you so much for manage here tonight.d you get this subpoena, and where is it asking for you to appear? >> well, i'm going to certainly keep the details to myself just to protect the integrity of the investigation. but a very clear subpoena that was delivered to us late last week, and we will certainly answer the questions they've got for us and answer the call to show up for the grand jury. >> so, you got it late last week. what do you expect they're going to ask? you know this. you witnessed it. what do you think they're going to focus on with you? >> well, i certainly have no idea what their exact questions are. i've been an open book. i've literally written a book about this and tried to change the direction of the republican party. i saw this coming just hours after the 2020 election and saw the misinformation, the deluge of false information started to flow out. and, you know, it's just part of the theme, right? this was this angry, visceral, loud, mistaken conservatism. that's what donald trump has shouted to the c

governor and cnn contributor geoff duncan revealing to cnn today he will testify before a grand jury in just a few days. >> i did just receive notification to appear ton tuesday morning at the fulton county grand jury. im be there to do my part in recounting the facts. i have no expectations as to the questions. i will answer whatever questions are put in front of me. i don't want to jeopardize or compromise the investigation. look, for me this is a story that is important for republicans to hear. americans to hear. let's hear the whole truth and nothing but the truth about donald trump's actions and the surrounding cast of characters around him. >> the fulton county district attorney is expected to seek multiple indictments in the years-long investigation into the efforts to overturn the 2020 election. cnn political correspondent sara murray is here to break it down for us. you have been following this case meticulously. now here we are on the precipice of this week where things are finally going to happen. what is the significance of what we just heard from the former lieutenant go

>> well, the interesting thing about these witnesses, and again, geoff duncan has been subpoenaed, and jen jordan who is a former democratic state senator, and george chiti who is a independent journalist and all who have testified before a grand jury have spent months and months of testifying and so there is a sense of what these folks will say if they are asked questions, and so what appears to be happening is that the district attorney is going to be happening is if we make this presentation before a grand jury what kind of voices can we use to build this narrative around what was happening whether it is a crazy presentations before the state lawmakers and whether it was the assembling of the fake electors or the republican fake electors in georgia and the witnesses can kind of speak to that. again, the question is timing. there are grand jurors who meet twice in fulton county, monday and tuesday, and the grand jury hears cases of murder and robbery yesterday. so it is unlikely to see the indictment today. we expect the presentation to take two days, and it could be earliest thursda

>> joining us now to discuss, former georgia republican lieutenant governor geoff duncan and norm eiseno served as special counsel for the house judiciary in trump's first impeachment trial. good to have you both on here. if i could begin with you first, norm, to this question of attempting to move this case to a federal court as mark meadows is trying now and others may try down the road, you say that's a steep legal hill to climb. why? >> jim, federal removal is available when a defendant has engaged in official conduct. the supreme court, the case is called nixon v. fitzgerald, has defined that so a well, it has to be official, it needs to be somewhere within the outermost perimeter, the furthest boundaries of official conduct. and based on the evidence that we already know publicly and what fani willis has charged here, essentially she's saying mark meadows participated in an attempted coup and the alleged overturn of a election outcome in georgia that is fundamentally a campaign or a political matter. so based on the evidence, it looks like it's not an official act. it can't be, if

that post reads, "i am reading reports that failed former lieutenant governor of georgia geoff duncan," noting that he spelled geoff's name there, "will be testifying before the fulton county grand jury. he shouldn't. i barely know him but he was right from the beginning of this witch hunt a nasty disaster for those looking into the election fraud case that took place in georgia." he also went on to call him a, quote, loser. i think the key thing here, jim, is it's unclear how a judge, if there are charges brought in this case, would try to talk about his social media activity. we know as you just mentioned that in a separate case, the federal case of donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election result she's trying to impose restrictions on his social media activity. i've also spoken with many of donald trump's advisers over the weekend and they tell me that they don't expect him to stop posting on social media. they think that it's his first amendment right to do so and that also it's his most direct way of communicating with voters and that he has the right to defend himself

joining us grand jury witnesses, geoff duncan and jim jerden. also michael moore. and cnn senior legal analyst elie honig. let's begin with the trial timeline for the d.a. willis. i mean, that's going to change. >> yeah, there is no earth. there is no planet on which this case will be tried in march. due to the log jam that we just saw. now we see all of these four different indictments and they're all jockeying for very limited trial space. but the d.a. has asked to try this in march. first of all, there is an ongoing racketeering trial right now that the d.a.'s office is handling. in georgia, they are still choosing a jury. they're seven months in. i know that sounds unbelievable. but state jury selection is way slower than federal cases. even if they started in march, they would still be picking a jury on election day. that is not happening. i understand what the d.a. is doing. she's doing what prosecutors are trained to do. you always say, we are ready to go any day. but march is not happening. >> it's very unlikely -- there's 19 people charged. it's not going

quote, georgia lieutenant governor geoff duncan georgia is a rino, never trumper. dumb or corrupt to recognize massive evidence of fraud in georgia and should be replaced." >> and within minutes after that either me or my wife would start to get threats would show up on our phone. i mean, like blood-curdling threats from just the most awful-sounding individuals and deep meaning that would know things about you and your family. they intentionally were trying to scare us and intimidate us. it was all to try to get us to sit down and be quiet. >> reporter: then president trump wanted some republicans to sit down. others he invited to washington. >> he starts bringing in state legislators from pennsylvania. >> yes. >> party leaders from michigan. >> he starts having them come to the white house, yes, to visit with him. and again, this is part of the sales job that he thinks he's doing. he's telling him that really they won and they ought to consider that and they ought to consider how they submit electors and how they go ahead and certify the election in their states.

>> jake, joining us now is cnn contributor, geoff duncan, former republican lieutenant governor of the state of georgia and tonight a witness before that grand jury today. geoff, what role do you think your testimony played in these ten indictments that we are learning about now? >> well, i certainly answered the questions they gave me and supplied them with the facts and details that i knew existed. that's what this is all about is just getting the facts to the surface. finally, it's taken two and a half years to move past all of this misinformation and all of these conspiracy theories. the facts will rise to the top. thankfully it's taken us to this point here now. >> what was it like to even be in that room today? was it intense? how would you describe it? >> yeah. it certainly felt loike the center of the universe. there was no doubt in my mind. it was a very serious tone, a very prepared tone. everybody in the room knew why they were there, to weigh the facts and present the facts. and of course my job was to answer the questions. it was very, very serious. no doubt. >> we saw sev

we know former republican lieutenant governor geoff duncan is inside the courthouse. another witness, george chidi, an independent journalist also scheduled to come tomorrow was also called in this afternoon. earlier today the grand jury heard from two former georgia lawmakers, both of these women state senators, both democrats. they both went in, expected to testify about a presentation that they received from former trump lawyer rudy giuliani that was ladened with conspiracy theories. these are all the witnesses that district attorney fani willis was expected to call, presenting her case laying out this conspiracy theory to overturn the election in georgia. we anticipated this would take two days. at this point it's unclear if they'll be able to move forward with possible indictments today or continue tomorrow. like you said, the courthouse closes at 5:00. we know they're still in there. >> it's after 5:00 right now. paula, walk us through what happens if the grand jury decides to indict donald trump and/or any of his allies. >> reporter: we expect the indictment al

and then he said that he's sitting in the hallway, he's sitting right next to geoff duncan, the formerlikes the guy. he said they're talking about everything but the grand jury proceedings. but the bottom line is neither of them have testified yet. we still have two witnesses along with a possible three more. so that just kind of tells us we could be in for a long night here in front of the courthouse. >> blayne, you've covered fani willis. is there anything about her moving duncan and the independent journalist to today from tomorrow that tells you that she's eager to sort of accelerate her own timetable, or are you just reading this into sort of grand jury management? >> you know, i think it shows, one, yes, they are trying to accelerate this. all along we kind of thought that a case of this magnitude, and kind of been given the guidance that a case of this magnitude would take two days to present. and certainly that was something that was really kind of underscored over the weekend when we heard that a couple of the witnesses were scheduled to come tuesday. the fact that they were c

he described them, geoff duncan did, as serious and intense, referring to the grand jury themselves.ry in fulton county, georgia. >> that's right. and the way he described it, it is such a solemn and awesome task and responsibility they have in front of them. so, the way in which he described how concentrated they were and that they were ready to have this high-level discussion with him in all the details just shows how seriously they're taking this issue, of course, and that they're maybe trying to just figure it out by the end of tonight. no need to go into a second day. >> let me talk about this, by the end of tonight. the judge said, okay, just hang in for about another hour. which at the time she was reporting that would have put the timing around 8:15 to 8:30ish. but do you think at that time that would be a formal indictment, or is there any chance there's anything shy of that? >> i don't think so. it sounds as though the only reason the judge would want to have the journalists stay around is because something big like that is going to drop. it's not like i'm keeping you aroun

that message was directed at the former republican lieutenant governor geoff duncan, suggesting thatshouldn't testify as a witness in this case. now, this is not the first time that former president trump has attacked this investigation, attacked the da, fani willis. he has called her, for example, a racist and a marxist. his own attorneys in conversations with them, they have told me that they think it's lejt ma the to question whether an elected prosecutor in this case a democrat should be able to bring charges against a former president, but the former president not making that argument, instead taking to social media appearing to attack the prosecutor and appearing to put some pressure on at least one witness. also important to note because this is a state case, if trump is reelected this would be outside his power. he cannot fire the prosecutor and he cannot pardon anyone who is charged in this case. >> really separates it from the federal case on that level. paula reid for us in atlanta, thanks so much. here to share their insights, evan perez, andrew mccabe and elliot williams

intend to seek indictments, a source confirming to cnn that former georgia lieutenant governor geoff duncanestify before that jury. what else can you tell from these subpoenas, and i know they would come in terms of fani willis giving a final presentation to the grand jury. what do these subpoenas tell you about how close we may be to a decision? >> well, yeah, erin, i think the reason they send such a strong signal that she is likely to seek indictments, whether that be of the former president donald trump, or a number of his allies, that she scrutinized in this case, you don't sit there putting together a full presentation that you would put before a grand jury with multiple witnesses, people like geoff duncan, the former lieutenant governor who told cnn he didn't sanction the appearance of people like rudy giuliani showing up before state lawmakers, and another former state lawmaker who was there and witnessed this rudy giuliani presentation, you wouldn't craft that kind of narrative and prepare it to go before a grand jury unless you were intending on seeking indictments. and obviously,

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former lieutenant governor geoff duncan tweeted on saturday that he was scheduled to testify tomorrowlist george chiti also confirmed his tuesday slot in an interview with nbc news. >> so saturday afternoon i received a phone call from the da's office one of their investigators to tell me that i should come in tuesday to offer testimony to the grand jury that's investigating election interference here in georgia. very reluctant to act adds an agent of the government, as any, you know, good journalist should be. the only reason i'm doing this honestly is because i think that the stakes are that important to democracy writ large in the united states and because i have this limitation on what i'm going to be -- what i'm going to be asked about. >> former georgia state senator jen jordan and former state representative bee nguyen are also both confirmed to have received subpoenas. da willis has said she will announce any potential charging decisions by september 1st. and as he awaits those possible charges in georgia, trump is already testing the limits of a new protective order put in pl

geoff duncan can speak to trump and his allies pressuring state lawmakers to overturn the election resultse know they're slated to come tomorrow. we've known a case of this scope will likely take two full days to present before grand jury a that meets on monday and tuesday. we're officially on indictment watch here in fulton county. >> gwen, we know there was a special grand jury that did the investigative work over the course of many months. my understanding is this grand jury has been presented with their conclusions and the key evidence. can you expand upon that? take us inside the courtroom leading up to a vote on potential charges. what's going to happen? >> sure. let me first explain, the special grand jury was just investigative. they could not return any kind of indictment. their job was to collect as much facts and evidence as possible and come up with recommendations. now that da willis has that, most likely she will have one or two or more of her investigators summarize that evidence and also supplement it with actual testimony from the witnesses that you just talked about in te

we know tomorrow the grand jury is planning to convene again because former lieutenant governor geoff duncan said he will go and testify before that grand jury tomorrow. we know here over the next 48 hours fani willis could very well present to the grand jury her final presentation and seek an indictment of donald trump in his -- up to more than a dozen allies of his related to the efforts to overturn the 2020 election here in georgia. we know there are multiple lines of inquiry from rudy giuliani's presentation to a senate subcommittee here in georgia in november of 2020, to donald trump's phone call pressuring secretary of state raffensperger to find more votes, to efforts to put together the fake electors scheme, to also the alleged tampering of voter machines in coffee county, georgia. there is much that could amount to even potentially racketeering charges. we know that grand jury is still meeting as we speak right now, chris. >> paul, we know the parameters of the case. it's what happened between november 2020 and january 2021 to try to overturn election results in georgia. what's the

day of his latest indictment, trump warned a witness in that case, former lieutenant governor geoff duncan, not to testify before the grand jury that ultimately voted to indict trump. meanwhile, sources telling cnn that employees with the sheriff's office are now facing threats as they themselves are waiting for more surrenders to happen this week. evan perez joins me now to break this down. evan, we are now hearing from trump himself. he's going to turn himself in on thursday. what do we think that's going to look like? >> well, kaitlan, it's going to look unlike any of the other three times the former president has had to surrender and be arrested and processed as part of facing charges for various crimes. and, you know, he's been given a lot of deference both in manhattan and also in the two federal indictments, where they processed him and they did everything as quickly as possible to get him in and out. in fulton county, they're bringing him to that county jail, the one you just saw there on your screen. it's actually been under scrutiny by the justice department for some of the condi

>> in the midst of the riot, then lieutenant governor of georgia geoff duncan begged residents of hisorgians. every georgian that can hear my voice. put down your differences. put down your partisanship. >> more than 20 georgia residents would go on to face charges stemming from their actions in washington, d.c. on january 6th, according to a cnn tally. >> donald trump stopped caring about this country the moment he started lying about that election, the conspiracy theories had literally seeded the beginnings and endings of january 6th, in my personal opinion it was a direct attack against democracy itself. >> the election lies and conspiracy theories may have reached their apex on january 6th, but even now more than two years later, donald trump refuses to acknowledge the 2020 election results. >> it was a rigged election. >> and still can't accept his loss in georgia. >> we have elections that were horrible. if you look at what happened in atlanta, millions of votes, and all you have to do is take a look at government cameras. >> even as the fulton county district attorney fani will

two people central to the probe georgia's former republican lieutenant governor geoff duncan and journalist george chidi confirm they have been called tuesday to appear before grand jury. >> saturday afternoon i received a phone call from the da's office, one of their investigators to tell me that i should come in tuesday. >> reporter: chidi providing nbc news this image of what he says was a secret meeting at the state capitol on december 14th, 2020 >> i walked in with cameras blazing and was almost immediately escorted out of the room i was told it was an education meeting. which is, very apparently now, not what was happening there >> reporter: trump isn't the only one in jeopardy legal experts say prosecutors may use a georgia organized crime law to potentially charge more than a dozen of his allies. >> they don't want to take the risk of going to jail for five years, and they may decide to flip and cooperate with the government against donald trump. >> a possible arraignment in georgia could be very different from what we've seen in the former president's other cases, correct? >> repor

former georgia lieutenant governor geoff duncan with us and errol lewis.e is a political anchor at spectrum news. geoff, when you look at this counterprogramming strategy and what we're going to be seeing the day after the debate, this is going to swallow up any of the headlines that come out of the debate. do you think that that is very much on purpose? >> well, everything's intentional to put the spotlight on donald trump in his world. that's why we're in the mess we are now. but i'm looking forward to this debate. i think with him not in the mix it's a good opportunity to see what these other eight are made of. do they want to stlit and falsely prop up donald trump's conspiracy theories or do they want to take a bold stand and paint a really clear direction as to how we move this party and this country forward, how we beat joe biden? and i think they also have a burden on their shoulders to really prove that donald trump's been a fake republican for four years. he talked all about draining the swamp. and we really spent four years watching him fill the

charges against trump and allies over their alleged efforts to overturn his 2020 loss in georgia geoff duncanformer lieutenant governor, confirmed today he will appear before a grand jury on tuesday. >> i will certainly answer whatever question's put in front of me. >> is there any chance you take a plea deal in georgia >> we did nothing wrong. >> reporter: it comes just one day after a d.c. judge overseeing his pending criminal trial for alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election warned trump not to create a carnival atmosphere >> i hate to say this. we did much better in 2020, the election was rigged >> reporter: the judge placing a protective order on the 2024 gop front-runner to not reveal sensitive materials related to his case the most recent "new york times" poll of iowa republicans giving trump the clear caucus lead. his gop rivals here today as well and taking shots at the former president for not supporting a pledge to support whoever becomes the gop nominee. >> it's not just about you. you've got to be willing to stand up and support the team >> reporter: dark horse candidate vi

have been subpoenaed to appears before the grand jury, including former gop lieutenant governor geoff duncan and independent journalist george chidi who said they will testified tuesday. >> have you been asked to testify before the grand jury this week? >> if i am called, when i am called, i will tell the truth. >> reporter: gabe sterling is a top deputy with the secretary of state. >> we've been saying this over and over, we counted the ballots three times. he lost the state, and he continues to say he didn't lose it. and it's just creating a lot of tension and a lot of chaos. >> that was nikole killion reporting. >>> the wife of an assassinated presidential candidate in ecuador is speaking out. fernando villavicencio was shot multiple times and killed last week as he stepped into a car at a campaign rally. he'd campaigned against cartels and corruption. his widow wore a bulletproof vest and a helmet when she told reporters over the weekend that she believes her life and the lives of her children are also in danger. she said she holds the state directly responsible for her husband's murder.

georgia state senate at the time of the giuliani hearings, served with former lieutenant governor geoff duncan, was present, was there, witnessed and really tried to push back on everything they were doing. and i'll tell you at the time, i had no clue just how expanexpansive it was. it seemed to me, this doesn't even make sense, right? i didn't even understand why they were trying to push some of these theories. as a lawyer for over 20 years, i know the constitution, georgia and federal, and the things that john eastman were saying did not comport with the constitution, certainly didn't comport with georgia law. but it was one of those things where the folks that were in the room that believed it and wanted it and were pushing it, they wanted to make sure that message got out to the larger public. and i think that was the kernel, the beginning of what we saw happened on january 6th. when i was there, i had no clue that that kind of first step, those first overt acts that happened in the georgia state capitol on december 3rd would lead to what we saw on january 6th. >> geoff duncan, you're lieu

former georgia lieutenant governor geoff duncan. then trump makes an appeal to the grand jury saying that he did not tamper with the election. the area around the fulton county courthouse has been blocked off for some time now as the district attorney there looks into accusatio t trump and other republicans tried to change theults of the presidential election in georgia. some of it, of course, recorded on tame. >> so, look, all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. so, tell me, what are we going to do? we won the election and it's not fair to take it away from us like this. >> if trump is indicted in georgia, he will be his fourth indictment. it may look a bit different than past indictments. it's possible the whole thing will be televised. you may recall in the first felony indictment, a single still camera was allowed to take just a few pictures ahead of the hearing. in the second and third -- it's federal and very rare to see cameras in federal court. tha

to testify this week, journalist george chiti as well as republican former lieutenant governor geoff duncan say they will testify tomorrow. that clarifies the timeline willis is working on she has been investigating pressure former president trump and his allies put on state and local officials to overturn the 2020 election results in the weeks and months after election day. experts say willis could use a state organized crime law to charge more than a dozen people in the case. the former president maintained his innocence while campaigning in iowa over the weekend. >> is there any chance you take a plea deal in georgia >> we did nothing wrong. we don't take plea deals, it's a wise guy question. mr. wise guy we don't take plea deals because i did nothing wrong. it's called election interference. >> president trump, did you seek to overturn the 2020 election? >> you know the answer. >> reporter: if that grand jury does hand up an indictment it would be the fourth criminal indictment that former president trump is facing. he is currently the front runner for the gop nomination jessica? >> all

former republican lieutenant governor geoff duncan testified a day earlier than expected. jordan also gave testimony she attended the capitol in 2020 when trump attorney rudy giuliani gave a presentation. >> reporter: what raised a red flag to you? >> the idea that there were ballots and cars being driven in and out, suitcases and people were trying to overthrow the election and how crazy, everything they talked about that was abnormal to them could be explained away very simply in terms of how elections are run in georgia. >> reporter: you think there could be multiple indictments? >> i think there will be multiple defendants indicted. >> reporter: michael moore is a former u.s. attorney and says willis could pursue racketeering charges given the sprawling nature of the case. >> here i think she will do this. >> reporter: tonight there are signs that a turning decision could be imminent since the presiding judge in this incident has not left the courthouse yet, norah. >> norah: nikole killion, thank you. a former nfl player whose adoption inspired and oscar-nominated movi

and there are also reports tonight that former georgia lieutenant governor geoff duncan, a conservative republican, was also told to be ready earlier than expected to testify. donald trump posting on social media just today telling duncan not to testify. the former president also posted new attacks about the prosecutor today. he has tried unsuccessfully to kick her off the case. she will need to convince 12 of 23 grand jurors that trump and others should be criminally charged. among the key pieces of evidence at the center of the case, the phone call from the former president to georgia's secretary of state, brad raffesnberger, pleading with him to find the votes. >> so, look, all i want to do is this, i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. >> reporter: trump asking republican officials to find those votes to make him the winner, instead of joe biden, in georgia. r raffensperger insisting over and over during the hour-long call, the georgia results were accurate. joe biden won. >> you should want to have an accurate election, and you'

governor geoff duncan and george chidi, a journalist and fox atlanta contributor who stumbled into a meeting of alternate trump electors at the state capitol. trump has signaled he expects to be indicted but denies any wrongdoing. >> we don't take plea deals because i did nothing wrong. >> reporter: campaigning in iowa this weekend, he stood firm in his false claims about the last election. >> a lot of bad things took place during that election. >> reporter: the grand jury getting ready to convene here, they put these orange barriers around the courthouse. by tomorrow, the street in front will be closed. the prospect of an indictment in a fourth case for trump does not appear to be hurting him politically. he has a big lead, according to the polls, against his republican rivals. and he campaigned this weekend in iowa, boasting of a big lead. linsey. >> aaron katersky, our thanks to you. >> linsey: turning to politics now, the crowded republican field is vying for attention. the first republican debate just ten days away. former vice president mike pence will be there, but will former

on saturday the state's former lieutenant governor geoff duncan and an independent journalist confirmedtify before the grand jury on tuesday. fulton county district attorney fani willis is thought to be seeking more than a dozen charges against the former president, including conspiracy and racketeering. those charges could happen in the coming days. trump denies all wrongdoing. earlier i wasjoined by earlier i was joined by a senior contributor at the news website axios and director of the democracy institute for journalism and citizenship to discuss this. thank you for being here. we havejust heard about the 2020 election in the us state in georgia. what is yoursense us state in georgia. what is your sense on how this is emerging and where and when donald trump could be charged in the case?— in the case? this has potential even though — in the case? this has potential even though it _ in the case? this has potential even though it sounds - in the case? this has potential even though it sounds kind - in the case? this has potential even though it sounds kind ofl even though it sounds k

on saturday the state's former lieutenant governor geoff duncan and an independent journalist confirmedh have been asked to testify before the grand jury on tuesday. fulton county district attorney fani willis is thought to be seeking more than a dozen charges against the former president, including conspiracy and racketeering. those charges could happen in the coming days. trump denies all wrongdoing. donald trump made an appearance at the iowa state fair this saturday. hundreds of supporters and fair attendees greeted the former president at the fair, held in the first state to kick off voting in the us presidential primary. the former president's visit happened at the same time his lead rival, florida governor ron desantis, joined iowa governor kim reynolds for a fireside chat at the fairgrounds. earlier i spoke to senior political columnist at politicojonathan martin. thank you for being here with us. wejust thank you for being here with us. we just saw donald trump, he is at that the state fair therein iowa. i am sure you have been to plenty of similar events. what do you make of t

on saturday the state's former lieutenant governor geoff duncan and an independent journalist confirmedked to testify before the grand jury on tuesday. fulton county district attorney fani willis is thought to be seeking more than a dozen charges against the former president, including conspiracy and racketeering. those charges could happen in the coming days. trump denies all wrongdoing. earlier, i wasjoined by margaret talev, senior contributor at news website axios and director of syracuse university's institute for democracy, journalism and citizenship, to discuss all of these developments. thank you for being here. we just heard, first of all, about these latest updates about the investigation into the 2020 election in the us state in georgia. what is your sense of how this is case is unfolding and whether and when donald trump could be charged in the case? well, karl, this has the potential, even though it sounds kind of humdrum — like, "oh, fourth indictment" — to be really impactful for a few reasons. just based on the timing of the former lieutenant governor's invitation — or s

another key figure who will head to the grand jury on tuesday is former georgia lieutenant governor geoff duncanhere's what he told our colleague, fredricka whitfield, on saturday. >> i did just receive notification to appear on tuesday morning at the fulton county grand jury, and i certainly will be there to do my part in recounting facts. i have no expectations as to the questions and i'll certainly answer whatever question's put in front of me. and certainly don't want to go any deeper than that to jeopardize or compromise the investigation. look, for me this is a story that is important for republicans to hear. americans to hear. let's hear the whole truth and nothing but the truth about donald trump's actions and the surrounding cast of characters around him. >> duncan, who is now a cnn contributor, is a republican and he was in office when trump tried to pressure georgia state officials to flip the results and overturn the will of the voters. fulton county district attorney fani willis, an elected democrat, launched the criminal investigation in 2021. the probe has steadily expanded over t

. >> joining us now is former attorney from georgia michael governor of georgia geoff duncan. send the message, it sends it. what is the incentive to go hard or aggressively against trump? >> that was exhibit a of what's wrong with the republican party. donald trump has confused us. that's why he lost the election in 2020 because the middle just got so tired of listening to that rhetoric and that angry tone, and we watch these candidates as they develop. this relationship with donald trump, they continue to make it tougher to win elections. we have to heal from the inside here. >> is there any hope the party will this election cycle? what did last night tell you about your party? >> nikki haley did it early. $8 trillion worth of national debt on his years of president. there are those that are a able to articulate policies andx pathway forward in a legitimate manner. i think there's some hope. itw% feels impossible

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on that stage tomorrow does not believe the election was rigged, does not believe brian kemp, geoff duncanffensperger or any of us did anything wrong. they'reth are, with a few exceptions, too chicken to say it. i think ultimately the weight of 91 indictments, the weight of multiple jurisdictions chasing donald trump every minute of every day, is going to be more than he can bear. i don't believe he's going to be the nominee and this is the chance for somebody to step up and be the adult in the room, which i think is what america is waiting for. >> jamal, what's your reaction to that? >> you know, i keep thinking about all these candidates on stage except for chris christie and a couple of others who are just kind of being chicken. they don't want to take on donald trump. i think when you're running for president of the united states, people want to see you fight for yourself, fight for them. if you're not willing to fight donald trump, who's the big kahuna, i don't know that they're going to trust you. meanwhile, joe biden on air with one of the i think great ads of the campaign so far ta

michael, let me begin with your reaction to what we just heard there from geoff duncan who was lieutenant time all these shenanigans was going on. he presided over the senate when there were all these efforts to get through the fake elector scheme and a republican who praised the entire process that he was a part of here. your thoughts. >> well, he's standing up for what he believes to be the truth of the matter, which is that there was an organized group of people, an enterprise as charged in the indictment who were trying to illegally upset the results of the election. and he feels that truth matters more than party. and therefore he's going to say this is what i saw. this is what i was asked to do or heard others being asked to do. and it's just not acceptable. it's not acceptable in the constitutional sense. it's also at a very partisan level not acceptable for the republican party to tolerate this sort of behavior. he really is in some sense exercising a profile in courage within the republican party because you really are punished within the republican party for not teowing the trum

. >> reporter: as the lieutenant governor at that time, geoff duncan served as the president of the georgiaate. >> those weren't official meetings. i didn't sanction those. they wanted a special session because that added one layer of alto authenticity to their conspiracy theories. >> reporter: perhaps the most egregious allegations came in the form of a video. the trump team presented what they claimed was evidence of fraud from election night ballot tabulating at the state farm arena in downtown atlanta. it purported to show a number of nefarious moments including sending election observers home to secretly count ballots. >> four people stay behind and continue counting and tabulating well into the night. >> reporter: they claimed election workers were pulling out suitcases of hidden ballots after others were sent home. >> once everyone is gone, coast is clear, they are going to pull ballots out from underneath a table. >> reporter: and scanning ballots multiple times. >> how many ballots went through those machines in those two hours when there was no one there to supervise? we believe t