geoff hoon, the former labour minister. right. coming up. uk population since the 1970s. but you know, can you get a gp appointment. schools again housing crisis. is it affecting all of our lives. first though, there were once the king and queen of daytime telly, right deep breath. >> firstly, are you okay? i hope so, it feels very strange indeed sitting here without phil now. >> phillip schofield has accused his former co—star and close pal holly willoughby of orchestrating his downfall. it appears his intent on all out sarah roberts. sarah—louise welcome back to patrick christys tonight. coming up is mass immigration making all of our welcome back to patrick christys tonight. coming up is mass immigration making all of our lives worse? but first, there were once the king and queen of daytime telly. but now their friendship appears to be lying in tatters after it emerged today that phillip schofield blamed his former co—star holly willoughby for his downfall, accused her of not coming to his aid and, well, his career crashed and burned, did

well, with me now is geoff hoon, former labour minister geoff, thank you very, very much.ur have been at it again. geoff, that all is not as it seems that this report that gave them a glowing response for their policy turned out to be written by, well, shock, horror, you know, a mate. >> well, first of all, i've looked at the report and it isn't glowing. there's lots of criticism, actually, of the policy. it's a fairly balanced report , and i think those that report, and i think those that are criticising the author are playing the man rather than the ball. >> the issue is, is this report on its own merits, a proper consideration of this policy? and i can't see that there's anything wrong with the report. whatever the relationship between its author and the minister seems to be wholly irrelevant. if people are saying actually the report is well balanced, which they are. >> isn't the main thing wrong with it, that it's just factually inaccurate because it's not going to raise £1 billion. >> well , i billion. >> well, i understand that the report talks about raising between

should we talk to geoff hoon? yeah.rmer labour mp geoff hoon joins us now , former defence secretary now, former defence secretary who held many big cabinet jobs geoff hoon. >> morning to you. you've been in these difficult situations before. the poor old treasury minister wheeled out today, james murray, getting a battering whenever every interview he goes in. because people say you're not telling it straight, minister. >> well, i've also conducted a textual analysis of the manifesto as you clearly have as well. and it does seem to me quite clear that the manifesto rules out increasing taxes for individuals. it talks about not increasing national insurance, income tax and vat, all of which are tax paid by individuals. and i think everyone understood at the time that that is what the manifesto was referring to and what the labour government are implementing. >> geoff, what is a working person? >> well , i person? >> well, i mean, virtually everyone in the country is a working person. >> that's why i say that it refers t